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From: elecman@suba.com (P Parks)
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Subject: Need help in conecting
Date: Mon, 24 Mar 1997 18:28:18 GMT
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We have some casino games written in assembler and other dose formats,
and windows format. We would like someone to interface a protocol
them with the web.. The games we have in mind is a slot machine game
written in assembler and video poker game written in windows format.
The individual would have to make tcp-ip connection that we can send
the results of each play and the amount bet down to the server and the
server would have to give results and the amount still left on the
machine.
If you can do this please contact me elecman@suba.com
Thank You
Peter Parks
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: K95 Kermit flickers on Key Input in NT4.0
Date: 26 Mar 1997 17:31:58 -0500
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In article <5hbo8d$lbi$1@news.impulse.net>,
Stephen Au <stephen@arktel.com> wrote:
:
: I have been using K95 under WIN95 for sometime and it works OK (slow)
:
Slow compared to what?
: and I can't use just any window size I want.
:
Due to a bug in Windows 95.
: I recently upgraded my system to NT 4.0...
:
Which does not have the bug relating to console screen dimensions...
: and the first thing I noticed was that text in K95 window flickers as I
: was typing. This flickering happens even in the command screen, as well as
: when connected. I have not seen this problem on WIN95, and neither does
: this occur in vanilla DOS session in an NT window. I went over to a
: colleague's NT workstation and it does the same thing.
:
: The system I tried are PCI-based Pentium/120 and 133 (Dell). One with the
: STB PowerGraph Trio64V+ and the other one uses S3.
:
: K95 has patch 11 updates.
:
Which is current.
: Does anyone has similar problem and has a remedy? Thank you very much.
:
Some people have seen this, most do not see it.
: This is a big disappointment considering I have been using all versions
: of Kermit in MSDOS, Unix, and OS2, and these versions are rock solid.
:
In Windows, we're dealing with a much more... "complicated" environment.
There are infinite combinations of hardware, graphics adapters, drivers,
BIOS's, etc, and bugs in all of these.
Kermit is updating the screen in the approved Win32 manner. If there is
flicker, it is not caused by Kermit, but rather by the driver that Kermit
is calling upon to do it, and/or the video adapter.
The following entry from Kermit 95's BUGS.TXT file might be helpful:
27. Screen updates updates are slow on some PCs
Video drivers vary in speed. Those in Windows NT tend to be significantly
slower than those in Windows 95. Even in Windows 95, some drivers or
hardware might be slower than Kermit 95 was designed for. Kermit 95's
default screen-updating cycle is 100 milliseconds (1/10 second); if your
video driver is slower than that, you might be able to make Kermit go faster
by increasing (yes, increasing) its screen-update interval, for example:
SET TERMINAL SCREEN-UPDATE FAST 200
Flickering can occur when the video driver is not performing a comparison
between what is already on the screen and what it is being asked to write.
So it paints the entire window (which takes time) even when it doesn't have
to. When acceleration is on (and supported by the driver) minimal screen
paints occur and screen updates should be fast. In the Control Panel either
on the Display object or the System Object, there is a performance page which
allows you to set the Video Acceleration properties. Make sure this is set
to use full acceleration. The only flickering you should see in this case is
the mouse pointer, since it is turned off and on, before and after each
console screen paint.
If that doesn't help, you can experiment with Kermit 95's SET TERMINAL
SCREEN-UPDATE FAST and SMOOTH options to choose which algorithm is used to
update the screen when new data arrives from the host. Whenever a byte
arrives from the host it is processed by an incoming data thread. If it
results in a screen write, an internal screen buffer is updated and a "dirty"
flag is set. When using the FAST algorithm, the screen buffer is copied to
the physical screen on a timer thereby allowing the maximum data throughput
from the host to occur regardless of the speed of the video drivers. This is
the default. The negative aspect of this method is that on really fast
connections it is possible for some screen writes to never make it to the
screen, e.g. during continuous scrolling (but the data is processed correctly,
and can be viewed in the scrollback buffer). The SMOOTH option says to copy
the screen buffer to the window whenever the dirty flag is set. This results
in much slower data handling, and a potentially significant increase in the
number of screen writes.
- Frank
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From: hoot@d-s-s.com (Jeff Tomich)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Help again. Emulation for???
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When since I've been plugging alone with Mskermit, I've learned alot.
But now, I have a emulation problem that I need to see out. I'n in
need of Hasletine's Esprit terminal emulation. Where can I find such a
beat for MSkermit to emulate this terminal type?
Thanks for you all help. Jeff
email reply: hoot@d-s-s.com
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Help again. Emulation for???
Date: 27 Mar 1997 18:55:58 GMT
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In article <333abfa3.191223802@news.intnet.net>,
Jeff Tomich <hoot@d-s-s.com> wrote:
: When since I've been plugging alone with Mskermit, I've learned alot.
: But now, I have a emulation problem that I need to see out. I'n in
: need of Hasletine's Esprit terminal emulation. Where can I find such a
: beat for MSkermit to emulate this terminal type?
:
MS-DOS Kermit (current version 3.14) emulates the following terminals:
DEC VT52, VT100, VT102, VT220, VT320
Data General D463, D470
Wyse 50
Heath / Zenith 19
ANSI
Prime PT200 (partially)
Honeywell VIP (partially)
Tektronix 4010/4014
It does not emulate any terminal that is not on this list unless it is
compatible with one that is on the list.
Kermit 95 has a longer list, which includes Hazeltine 1500 -- I don't know
if that is the same as Hazeltine Esprit. (But Kermit 95 runs only Windows
95, Windows NT, and OS/2, not DOS or Windows 3.1.)
- Frank
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From: hoot@d-s-s.com (Jeff Tomich)
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Subject: Re: How do I set up MS DOS kermit 3.14 to use TCP
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On 22 Mar 97 08:50:46 MDT, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote:
>In article <33320001.183089895@news.gte.net>, hoot@d-s-s.com (Jeff Tomich) writes:
>> I'm running a 3com connected to my net. I need to tcp to my host. Do I
>> need some sort of packet driver and if so, what kind? Reading the book
>> and dummies like me can't figure how I setup my workstation to use tcp
>> to connect to my host?
>----------
> I presume "a 3com" means an Ethernet board made by the company
>3Com.
> Please do read the extensive documentation supplied with MS-DOS
>Kermit, presuming that you are running DOS and Windows. The docs give
>examples for both Packet Driver and Novell ODI driver setups. The driver
>must match your particular board and usually they come from the maker of
>the board.
> Joe D.
Since you advised me to read my book, I'm more confused now. Anyways,
Fred answered my question and cleared it for me.
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From: Chien <fpgrk00@tpts1.seed.net.tw>
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Dear All:
Has anybody else made Kermit work on a HP-1000? Any HP-1000 experts
out there who can tell me how to setup the environment to connect a
HP-1000 to IBM RS/6000 via direct nul modem cable? Thanks for any info.
-Chien (Taiwan)
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From: "Jason \"PsychoSy\" Sizemore" <jsizemor@monroe.lib.mi.us>
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I figured it out. Someone on a BBS helped me with my problem. I love
MS-Kermit!! It's really fast when the setting is just right!
Thanks Columbia!!
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From: stephen@arktel.com (Stephen Au)
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Subject: Re: K95 Kermit flickers on Key Input in NT4.0
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>Frank da Cruz wrote:
>>In article <5hbo8d$lbi$1@news.impulse.net>,
>>Stephen Au <stephen@arktel.com> wrote:
>>:
>>: I have been using K95 under WIN95 for sometime and it works OK (slow)
>>:
>>Slow compared to what?
>>
Slow in couple respects, with serial connections @ 9600/19200 bps.
#1. Compared to real-life WYSE-60 terminals at 9600/19200 bps.
*All* 5 users of K95 on WIN95
reported K95 as slow compared to their terminals. And these are all
Pentium 75 with 16MB machines and all they are doing is connecting to Unix.
I tuned the "SET TERMINAL SCREEN-UPDATE FAST" and that improves some but
still no compairson with the WYSE in terms of scrolling speed.
People performing similar jobs on
a WYSE and then on K95 consistently reported the WYSE as getting their
job done faster. BTW these users are accountants, they are not anti-computers,
and they love their PCs much more than the WYSE.
I grant that this
"perception" of "slowness" is largely due to the pausing between screen updates
because I timed the output with a stop watch and the result is similar.
But on keyboard input, there is just this perceptible delay between
a key is depressed and a character appearing on the screen.
And it slows down productivity.
#2. Compared with other versions of Kermit, notably MSDOS and OS2/Warp 4.
It takes longer for K95 to come up and exit, K95 feels sluggish/unresponsive
on keyboard input. (And the "perception of slowness" on output).
#3. Compared with Qmodem.
It takes longer for K95 to come up and exit, K95 feels sluggish/unresponsive
on keyboard input.
So why do I use and recommend K95? Because it does SCOANSI, and because
I was sold on the MSDOS and OS2 versions. Just consider these as end-users
comments.
>>: and I can't use just any window size I want.
>>:
>>Due to a bug in Windows 95.
>>
That was a major reason why I upgrade to NT.
>>
>>: Does anyone has similar problem and has a remedy? Thank you very much.
>>:
>>Some people have seen this, most do not see it.
>>
>>In Windows, we're dealing with a much more... "complicated" environment.
>>There are infinite combinations of hardware, graphics adapters, drivers,
>>BIOS's, etc, and bugs in all of these.
>>
I would think that this is a step forward than the old days of pure DOS,
with Windows and WIN drivers to give some isolation from raw iron.
>>Kermit is updating the screen in the approved Win32 manner. If there is
>>flicker, it is not caused by Kermit, but rather by the driver that Kermit
>>is calling upon to do it, and/or the video adapter.
>>
>>The following entry from Kermit 95's BUGS.TXT file might be helpful:
>>
>> .....
>>
Thank you for the info, and I have read that, and those suggestions
did not fix the problem. What gets me is that this
flicker *does not* happen with a vanilla NT MSDOS window.
It does not happen with other screen-oriented applications such as
"vi" (MKS version), "vim" (NT or WIN32), "brief" (DOS mode).
And K95 is doing it "the approved Win32 manner".
For a silly consumer like me, this is very disappointing.
FWIW, I love Kermit/WARP4 and I use it everyday. Kermit is the single
most important application that I use. I understand that K95 is moving
toward GUI and I don't see the need to go GUI for a comm, terminal-emulation
program to do that, unless X is in the cards, as long as there is mouse
support which is quite good already.
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.os.ms-windows.nt.misc,comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: K95 Kermit flickers on Key Input in NT4.0
Date: 28 Mar 1997 18:53:28 GMT
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In article <5hh2ug$e5p$1@news.impulse.net>,
Stephen Au <stephen@arktel.com> wrote:
: >Frank da Cruz wrote:
: >>....
: >>In Windows, we're dealing with a much more... "complicated" environment.
: >>There are infinite combinations of hardware, graphics adapters, drivers,
: >>BIOS's, etc, and bugs in all of these.
: >>
: I would think that this is a step forward than the old days of pure DOS,
: with Windows and WIN drivers to give some isolation from raw iron.
:
In theory, of course it's a step forward. In practice it tends not to be,
because (a) PC boards and drivers are rushed to market and many if not most of
them are buggy for that reason, (b) the more layers of stuff you have to go
through, the less responsive the application, and (c) there is usually no way
to circumvent buggy OS's or drivers. MS-DOS Kermit is incredibly responsive
because, on serial connections it *is* the serial port driver, and on TCP/IP
connections, it uses its own self-contained TCP/IP stack.
We'll respond to your other points separately.
- Frank
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From: bai@wyoming.com (Phil Anze;)
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Subject: Intel 14.4ex failure under Windows 3.11 (WfW)
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Hi,
Using an Intel 14.4ex modem with Kermit 3.14 under Windows 3.11 (Windows for
Workgroups), the first time I use Kermit, the modem will dial out and connect
successfully. Exiting Kermit (but remaining in Windows), then starting Kermit
again, the modem either starts to try to negotiate while the other end is
still ringing, or just starts throwing garbage characters on the screen. If I
exit from Windows, then restart Windows, then start Kermit again, I get a good
connection. Additional information: I am using the INTEL14.SCR script; the
problem occurs on multiple PCs (speeds from 16MHz to 90MHz), occurs uniformly
with three different Intel 14.4ex modems, but does not occur with a US
Robotics Courier V.34 modem.
Suggestions???
Help!!!
-- Phil Anzel Banner Associates Inc Laramie WY.
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: K95 Kermit flickers on Key Input in NT4.0
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In article <5hh2ug$e5p$1@news.impulse.net>,
Stephen Au <stephen@arktel.com> wrote:
: >Frank da Cruz wrote:
: >>In article <5hbo8d$lbi$1@news.impulse.net>,
: >>Stephen Au <stephen@arktel.com> wrote:
: >>:
: >>: I have been using K95 under WIN95 for sometime and it works OK (slow)
: >>:
: >>Slow compared to what?
:
: Slow in couple respects, with serial connections @ 9600/19200 bps.
:
: #1. Compared to real-life WYSE-60 terminals at 9600/19200 bps.
:
Of course. A terminal is a special-purpose device that does nothing but
"terminal emulation" -- routing incoming bytes directly to the screen
(possibly after interpreting some escape sequences using some (usually) very
tight machine code in its PROM), and routing keystrokes directly to the serial
port -- often using two separate dedicated processors.
: I grant that this "perception" of "slowness" is largely due to the pausing
: between screen updates because I timed the output with a stop watch and the
: result is similar. But on keyboard input, there is just this perceptible
: delay between a key is depressed and a character appearing on the screen.
: And it slows down productivity.
:
This does not happen to everybody. Most people see an instantaneous response.
When there *is* a delay, it is caused by Windows' scheduling of Kermit 95's
threads.
: #2. Compared with other versions of Kermit, notably MSDOS and OS2/Warp 4.
:
MS-DOS Kermit goes straight to the metal -- it's an operating system unto
itself. C-Kermit 5A(191) was not multithreaded, and so did not have to
suffer through context switches.
: It takes longer for K95 to come up and exit...
:
Because Windows takes time to start Kermit's various threads.
: K95 feels sluggish/unresponsive on keyboard input.
:
Again: to some, but not to most.
: #3. Compared with Qmodem.
: It takes longer for K95 to come up and exit, K95 feels sluggish /
: unresponsive on keyboard input.
:
Unlike Qmodem, K95 runs in multiple threads. Why? Because it has multiple
windows (even though in the current release you can only see one at at time);
a thread per window, plus a dedicated blocking keyboard reading thread. The
multithreaded design makes K95 easy on your system, and allows us to maintain
portability among Windows 95, Windows NT, and OS/2 in both a console version
(which you have now) and a GUI version (coming up). If we dropped support for
the console version, a lot of people would be upset.
There are also other reasons for using multiple threads, many of which will
not be evident to you till the GUI version comes out. Well, here's one (which
is already there to some extent): the ability to run the command processor and
the terminal emulator simultaneously. This is what allows INPUT statements
(for example) to not have to worry about terminal ID or dimension query escape
sequences. All of this stuff works while your script is running. Similarly
for the command processor and the file transfer module -- e.g., it is possible
right now for an INPUT command to sense an Kermit or Zmodem download and
activate the file-transfer thread. And so on.
Also... K95's keyboard reader does a lot more than Qmodem's -- think of the
multiple levels of key mapping (characters, strings, verbs, macros assigned to
any key combinations at all without limit) AND character-set translation, the
latter being important where English is not being used.
So yeah, there's a tradeoff -- functionality vs snappiness. In each new
release we do a lot of fine tuning to make K95 snappier and snappier, and this
will continue.
But finally I have to emphasize again that the perceived sluggishness is not
a universal phenomenon. If we knew why it happens on some PCs but not others,
we'd be the first to tell you. Maybe we can take this off line via email to
kermit-support@columbia.edu and do a more detailed analysis.
- Frank
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From: "Jason \"PsychoSy\" Sizemore" <jsizemor@monroe.lib.mi.us>
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Subject: MSK3.15 -- Downloading problems
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 1997 03:43:57 -0500
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My local ISP uses C-Kermit. I was using Telix for Kermit downloads but it
makes my arteries harden. I recently got MS-Kermit for Dos version 3.15
and when I try to download a file from my ISP, MSK will go to the
"receiving file" screen and just sit there. I can not get the data unless
I hit the "retry" button <enter> every 3 seconds. If I hit this button
any sooner or later, my "retry" counter goes up and ultimately I use my
limit of retries. I could set the retry limit higher but that still does
not help with the real situation.
My guess is that my side of Kermit is not sending the RTS signal to my
ISP or my configuation is wrong. I basically used the configuration of my
Telix as a small guide the configuration. Here's what I have MSK
configured to:
SET PORT 2, SPEED 57600, FLOW RTS/CTS, WINDOW 3 (OR 4)
SET CONTROL UNPREFIX ALL
SET CONTROL PREFIX 0 1 129
SET TERM BYTE 8
SET PARITY NONE
SET RECEIVE QUOTE 35
SET RECEIVE START-OF-PACKET 1
SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 2000
SET END-OF-LINE 13
I've also tried to SET PARITY SPACE but that does not work.
I'm using an Intel 144/144e Fax External modem, IBM 386dx w/Dos 5.0 and
the SIIG HighSpeed Serial I/O Pro card (16550 Uart)
Another thing is as soon as the file transfer begins, I have to hit the
"enter" key at least twice for the "filename" to be listed.
I'm used to the Telix program that as soon as you give the receive
command (PGDWN Key) and hit `K' for Kermit, the transfer begins at an
average CPS rate of 250-350 (I once had a CPS rate of 400 for about a
second!)
MS-Kermit is indeed faster that Telix's Kermit but if I could somehow
configure it to accept the data the ISP C-KERMIT is sending without
hitting the "retry" key, I'd be happy!
Any suggestions?
In the mean time, I'll check my library to see if they have the manual
for using MS-KERMIT and check it out (if it helps, then buying the manual
for keeps is going to be a must for me! To this day, I still have to
refer to my Dummies to DOS guide! =) )
Thanks in advance.
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: MSK3.15 -- Downloading problems
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In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.970328032204.7453A-100000@monroe.lib.mi.us>, "Jason \"PsychoSy\" Sizemore" <jsizemor@monroe.lib.mi.us> writes:
> My local ISP uses C-Kermit. I was using Telix for Kermit downloads but it
> makes my arteries harden. I recently got MS-Kermit for Dos version 3.15
> and when I try to download a file from my ISP, MSK will go to the
> "receiving file" screen and just sit there. I can not get the data unless
> I hit the "retry" button <enter> every 3 seconds. If I hit this button
> any sooner or later, my "retry" counter goes up and ultimately I use my
> limit of retries. I could set the retry limit higher but that still does
> not help with the real situation.
>
> My guess is that my side of Kermit is not sending the RTS signal to my
> ISP or my configuation is wrong. I basically used the configuration of my
> Telix as a small guide the configuration. Here's what I have MSK
> configured to:
>
> SET PORT 2, SPEED 57600, FLOW RTS/CTS, WINDOW 3 (OR 4)
I presume these are separately stated commands.
> SET CONTROL UNPREFIX ALL
> SET CONTROL PREFIX 0 1 129
Stop here. We warn do not unprefix unless you know the channel
will pass those bytes intact. Many/most channels are not that clean, so
don't do that in the beginning.
> SET TERM BYTE 8
> SET PARITY NONE
> SET RECEIVE QUOTE 35
> SET RECEIVE START-OF-PACKET 1
> SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 2000
> SET END-OF-LINE 13
There is no reason to play with the protocol codes. The defaults
are good. Thus remove SET REC QUOTE, SET REC START, SET END-OF-LINE.
> I've also tried to SET PARITY SPACE but that does not work.
> I'm using an Intel 144/144e Fax External modem, IBM 386dx w/Dos 5.0 and
> the SIIG HighSpeed Serial I/O Pro card (16550 Uart)
>
> Another thing is as soon as the file transfer begins, I have to hit the
> "enter" key at least twice for the "filename" to be listed.
The modem itself must support RTS/CTS flow control, and the cable
must carry the signals too. But I think your problem is the channel is
reacting to bare control codes from that SET UNPREFIX command.
It does pay to read the instructions, and to start from a "known
good" situation.
Joe D.
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I work for a large company, and we are getting ready to go to Windows
NT. We are looking into using Kermit as our terminal emulator to
connect to our Host computer which is in another state. I have been
using a demo of K-95. I am having problems with using the keyboard..
When I connect to our host computer, the function keys do not work like
they should. For example, F3 would end a session. On K-95, F8 performs
this function.. F7 and F8 should move me forward or backward within a
file. With K-95, it's {shift} F2 and {shift} F3. I have a manual, and
I have looked at the entire chapter for terminal emulation. From what I
can tell, it's supposed to be automatic. I have used a VT100 template.
Please advise.. hopscott@ix.netcom.com
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Help again. Emulation for???
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In article <333abfa3.191223802@news.intnet.net>, hoot@d-s-s.com (Jeff Tomich) writes:
> When since I've been plugging alone with Mskermit, I've learned alot.
> But now, I have a emulation problem that I need to see out. I'n in
> need of Hasletine's Esprit terminal emulation. Where can I find such a
> beat for MSkermit to emulate this terminal type?
------
Terminal emulation is built-in (designed in) and Hazeltine terminals
are not in the set available. There really isn't much that can be done
except to try modifying what the other end requires as a terminal type.
In very simple cases you can redefine keys to send what you wish, but
that will not touch the problem of Kermit's reception of bytes from the
remote end (that's a significant programming item).
Joe D.
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Subject: Re: Help again. Emulation for???
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On 27 Mar 1997 18:55:58 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da
Cruz) wrote:
>In article <333abfa3.191223802@news.intnet.net>,
>Jeff Tomich <hoot@d-s-s.com> wrote:
>: When since I've been plugging alone with Mskermit, I've learned alot.
>: But now, I have a emulation problem that I need to see out. I'n in
>: need of Hasletine's Esprit terminal emulation. Where can I find such a
>: beat for MSkermit to emulate this terminal type?
>:
>MS-DOS Kermit (current version 3.14) emulates the following terminals:
>
> DEC VT52, VT100, VT102, VT220, VT320
> Data General D463, D470
> Wyse 50
> Heath / Zenith 19
> ANSI
> Prime PT200 (partially)
> Honeywell VIP (partially)
> Tektronix 4010/4014
>
>It does not emulate any terminal that is not on this list unless it is
>compatible with one that is on the list.
>
>Kermit 95 has a longer list, which includes Hazeltine 1500 -- I don't know
>if that is the same as Hazeltine Esprit. (But Kermit 95 runs only Windows
>95, Windows NT, and OS/2, not DOS or Windows 3.1.)
>
>- Frank
Frank,
Does the Kermit 95 might support the Hazeltine Esprit emulation?
Thanks, Jeff
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Intel 14.4ex failure under Windows 3.11 (WfW)
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In article <5hh28u$hd@horn.wyoming.com>, bai@wyoming.com (Phil Anze;) writes:
> Hi,
> Using an Intel 14.4ex modem with Kermit 3.14 under Windows 3.11 (Windows for
> Workgroups), the first time I use Kermit, the modem will dial out and connect
> successfully. Exiting Kermit (but remaining in Windows), then starting Kermit
> again, the modem either starts to try to negotiate while the other end is
> still ringing, or just starts throwing garbage characters on the screen. If I
> exit from Windows, then restart Windows, then start Kermit again, I get a good
> connection. Additional information: I am using the INTEL14.SCR script; the
> problem occurs on multiple PCs (speeds from 16MHz to 90MHz), occurs uniformly
> with three different Intel 14.4ex modems, but does not occur with a US
> Robotics Courier V.34 modem.
> Suggestions???
> Help!!!
> -- Phil Anzel Banner Associates Inc Laramie WY.
------------
The modem speed negotiation process (not to mention even recognizing
when the other end has not yet asserted its carrier to negotiate) is between
modems themselves rather than under control of Kermit. You probably knew
that already. My suggestions are a) have a careful look at the Windows
situation to see if Windows is given control of the modem (thinking that
modem control has been exercised by Windows between calls) and b) that the
sundry AT commands in INTEL.SCR match what your modem ought to be doing.
Joe D.
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Please ignore unless this makes some sence..
Maybe this is unrelated (if so, I might have bigger problems). But
all of a sudden, my Kermit session with Dorsai bumped my P5-75 into
Turbo Pascal. I have a 1987 version of TPas, which I haven't run in
months. I seem to recall early versions of PC Kermit being in
Pascal..no?..but this one's in C, right? this is wierd.. reply only
if there is something that makes sence that I don't know about..
Usually I have problems with Windows, but I didn't get inot Windows
yet when this happened.. maybe my Zip drive taxes memeory too much (it
sometimes does).. still this is so bizarre..
--
Vasos-Peter John Panagiotopoulos II, Columbia'81+, Bioengineer-Financier, NYC
BachMozart ReaganQuayle EvrytanoKastorian http://WWW.Dorsai.Org/~vjp2
vjp2@{MCIMail.Com|CompuServe.Com|Dorsai.Org}
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: K95 Kermit flickers on Key Input in NT4.0
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In article <5hh6tb$982$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
> More on this...
>
> In article <5hh2ug$e5p$1@news.impulse.net>,
> Stephen Au <stephen@arktel.com> wrote:
> : >Frank da Cruz wrote:
> : >>In article <5hbo8d$lbi$1@news.impulse.net>,
> : >>Stephen Au <stephen@arktel.com> wrote:
> : >>:
> : >>: I have been using K95 under WIN95 for sometime and it works OK (slow)
> : >>:
> : >>Slow compared to what?
> :
> : Slow in couple respects, with serial connections @ 9600/19200 bps.
> :
> : #1. Compared to real-life WYSE-60 terminals at 9600/19200 bps.
> :
> Of course. A terminal is a special-purpose device that does nothing but
> "terminal emulation" -- routing incoming bytes directly to the screen
> (possibly after interpreting some escape sequences using some (usually) very
> tight machine code in its PROM), and routing keystrokes directly to the serial
> port -- often using two separate dedicated processors.
>
> : I grant that this "perception" of "slowness" is largely due to the pausing
> : between screen updates because I timed the output with a stop watch and the
> : result is similar. But on keyboard input, there is just this perceptible
> : delay between a key is depressed and a character appearing on the screen.
> : And it slows down productivity.
> :
> This does not happen to everybody. Most people see an instantaneous response.
> When there *is* a delay, it is caused by Windows' scheduling of Kermit 95's
> threads.
----------
Snipping out lots of neat technical discussion.
Just for perspective, MSK version 3.15 beta has a time of day clock
presentation on the terminal emulation status line. We found that simply
asking DOS for the current time of day, while waiting for bytes to arrive,
was enough to cause Win95 to shakily refresh the screen. Most annoying. I
had to add code to turn off the clock when MSK is run in Windows.
What this says is screen updating and sundry within Win95 is very
nervous. A screen refresh seems to be triggered by the slightest thing,
and that of course takes cpu time and tends to annoy users.
Now add back the many threads of Kermit95 with their systems calls,
and guess how Win95 can be frightened into updating the screen on every little
happenstance.
A lesson is comms programs should avoid the "o/s" as much as possible
and do all the work themselves, if allowed to come that close to the comms
machinery. MSK does this, being a DOS style program, but Windows programs
are not allowed to unless they are a VxD or similar.
Joe D.
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <333dbb78.14832388@news-s01.ny.us.ibm.net>,
Jeff Tomich <hootman@ibm.net> wrote:
: On 27 Mar 1997 18:55:58 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
: wrote:
: ...
: >[MS-DOS Kermit] does not emulate any terminal that is not on this list
: >unless it is compatible with one that is on the list.
: >
: >Kermit 95 has a longer list, which includes Hazeltine 1500 -- I don't know
: >if that is the same as Hazeltine Esprit. (But Kermit 95 runs only Windows
: >95, Windows NT, and OS/2, not DOS or Windows 3.1.)
: >
: Does the Kermit 95 might support the Hazeltine Esprit emulation?
:
To repeat what I said, "Kermit 95 has a longer list, which includes Hazeltine
1500 -- I don't know if that is the same as Hazeltine Esprit." If anybody
knows if the Hazeltine 1500 is or is not compatible with the Hazeltine Esprit,
please post the information. Thanks!
- Frank
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <333D6054.4410@ix.netcom.com>,
Helen Scott <hopscott@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
: I work for a large company, and we are getting ready to go to Windows
: NT. We are looking into using Kermit as our terminal emulator to
: connect to our Host computer which is in another state. I have been
: using a demo of K-95. I am having problems with using the keyboard..
: When I connect to our host computer, the function keys do not work like
: they should. For example, F3 would end a session. On K-95, F8 performs
: this function.. F7 and F8 should move me forward or backward within a
: file. With K-95, it's {shift} F2 and {shift} F3. I have a manual, and
: I have looked at the entire chapter for terminal emulation. From what I
: can tell, it's supposed to be automatic. I have used a VT100 template.
:
A terminal session has two ends. When we type a letter "A" we expect the
application on the other end to receive and understand it as a letter "A".
Similarly for the other letters and digits and punctuation keys.
But function keys (F1, F2, etc, and their shifted and/or Ctrl and/or Alt
modified versions) are not ordinary keys. To complicate matters, PCs are not
VT100 or VT320 terminals, which the host application (probably) thinks you are
using. Thus the PC application (Kermit) must be told to send whatever the
host expects for each special key.
Now your host was obviously not set up for a real VT100 terminal, because
real VT100s do not have F keys at all. They have PF1 through PF4, plus
arrow keys and a numeric keypad -- that's it. VT220s have all those, plus
F6 through F20 (but no F3).
So whatever you were using before was set up specially for your application.
Therefore, Kermit 95 must also be set up in the same way. Unfortunately
we have no way of knowing what this special setup might have been.
You should contact kermit-support@columbia.edu with the details about your
previous terminal emulator, and then we can help you.
- Frank
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Bumped into Turbo Pascal..huh..??
Date: 30 Mar 1997 23:03:53 GMT
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In article <5hmbkk$512@kensie.dorsai.org>,
Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 Bioengineer-Financier Samani Marions Panyaught NYC-11357-3436-287-USA <vjp2@dorsai.org @smtp.dorsai.org> wrote:
: Please ignore unless this makes some sence..
:
: Maybe this is unrelated (if so, I might have bigger problems). But
: all of a sudden, my Kermit session with Dorsai bumped my P5-75 into
: Turbo Pascal. I have a 1987 version of TPas, which I haven't run in
: months. I seem to recall early versions of PC Kermit being in
: Pascal..no?
:
No.
:..but this one's in C, right?
:
Most of it is in assembler.
: this is wierd.. reply only
: if there is something that makes sence that I don't know about..
: Usually I have problems with Windows, but I didn't get inot Windows
: yet when this happened.. maybe my Zip drive taxes memeory too much (it
: sometimes does).. still this is so bizarre..
:
So you are in CONNECT mode when this happens? It could happen if your
host application is sending an APC sequence containing whatever command
you would use to start Pascal. To test, try telling MS-DOS Kermit to
"set terminal apc off" and see if that makes it stop.
- Frank
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A friend of mine has downloaded Mac-Kermit, but can't get it to work. I
suspect she's muffed the installation somehow, and to check out that
feeling, I'd like to get a copy on disk, correctly configured for the
a-drive, or set to install itself properly. Could I get one if I stopped
by Columbia? If so, who should I contact?
Any and all suggestions greatly appreciated.
Michael
__________________________________________________________________________
Michael Pollak................New York City..............mpollak@panix.com
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Can I pick up Mac-Kermit on disk at Columbia?
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In article <Pine.SUN.3.94.970330012918.24956A-100000@panix3.panix.com>,
Michael Pollak <mpollak@panix.com> wrote:
:
: A friend of mine has downloaded Mac-Kermit, but can't get it to work. I
: suspect she's muffed the installation somehow, and to check out that
: feeling, I'd like to get a copy on disk, correctly configured for the
: a-drive, or set to install itself properly. Could I get one if I stopped
: by Columbia? If so, who should I contact?
:
Mac Kermit is not one of our prouder accomplishments. Nobody is taking
care of it, it's never been officially released, etc etc. If you download
the hqx file, you need BinHex 4.0 to convert it back to a Macintosh app
(and no, we don't distribute BinHex 4.0 -- it's not ours).
That said, if you still want to get it on diskette, you can order it from
our software catalog:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/aaxfly.html
- Frank
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Subject: Re: Bumped into Turbo Pascal..huh..??
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In article <5hmbkk$512@kensie.dorsai.org>, vjp2@dorsai.org @smtp.dorsai.org (Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 writes:
> Please ignore unless this makes some sence..
>
> Maybe this is unrelated (if so, I might have bigger problems). But
> all of a sudden, my Kermit session with Dorsai bumped my P5-75 into
> Turbo Pascal. I have a 1987 version of TPas, which I haven't run in
> months. I seem to recall early versions of PC Kermit being in
> Pascal..no?..but this one's in C, right? this is wierd.. reply only
> if there is something that makes sence that I don't know about..
> Usually I have problems with Windows, but I didn't get inot Windows
> yet when this happened.. maybe my Zip drive taxes memeory too much (it
> sometimes does).. still this is so bizarre..
----------
It is clear that your machine has configuration and/or virus
problems. Kermit is not at fault. MS-DOS Kermit is written in assembler
and C, but one sees neither after assembly, compliation, and linking.
Joe D.
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From: "Marcos Carbonero Garrido" <carbonero@redestb.es>
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Subject: Can i send files type Ascii to VMS major of 512 character
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Anybody know how i can send files Ascii to VMS major of 512 Characters.
Thank you.
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <01bc3ec4$8afa41a0$72e34cc3@ozmacarb>,
Marcos Carbonero Garrido <carbonero@redestb.es> wrote:
: Anybody know how i can send files Ascii to VMS major of 512 Characters.
:
You need communications software on the VMS computer and on the computer
from which you are sending the file. For example C-Kermit 6.0 on VMS
and MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 on the PC (if it is running DOS or Windows 3.x,
if that is what you have). Tell one to "send", the other to "receive".
You can find out all about Kermit software at:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/
- Frank
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From: don.eddleman@mcmail.vanderbilt.edu
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Subject: Assigning a script to a key...
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I would like to assign a script to a key. It appears that this is not possible with
the set key command. The script needs to set printer to a file, do a Kdump of the
current screen, and then set the printer back to PRN. As you can see, what I really
want to do is get a screen scrape of the current emulator screen when a user hits
a specially defined key. Is there another way to do this?
Don Eddleman
Vanderbilt University
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Assigning a script to a key...
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In article <5hrqhh$9at$1@news.vanderbilt.edu>,
<don.eddleman@mcmail.vanderbilt.edu> wrote:
: I would like to assign a script to a key. It appears that this is not
: possible with the set key command.
:
Sure, it's possible. (And knowing who you are, I deduce you are talking
about Kermit 95 :-) But what you are really asking is whether it is
possible to have a mixture of scripts (macros) and "kverbs" in a key
definition. And yes, that's possible too.
: The script needs to set printer to a file, do a Kdump of the current
: screen, and then set the printer back to PRN. As you can see, what I
: really want to do is get a screen scrape of the current emulator screen
: when a user hits a specially defined key. Is there another way to do
: this?
:
The obvious way to do this would be:
define x1 set printer screen.txt
define x2 set printer, connect
set key \368 \Kx1\Kdump\Kx2
(\Kdump is a built-in Kverb; \Kx1 and \Kx2 are macros masquerading as
Kverbs.) Unfortunately, this doesn't work because at the time the \Kdump
verb is executed, the command screen is active instead of the terminal
screen. That is, \Kdump is executing in the wrong context. I can't think
of any way to force it to execute in the other context. You might think:
define x1 set printer screen.txt, connect
define x2 set printer, connect
set key \368 \Kx1\Kdump\Kx2
would do it, but for some reason it doesn't. However, you can do something
like this:
define x1 set printer screen.txt, connect
define x2 set printer, connect
set key \368 \Kx1
set key \369 \Kx2
In this case the F1 key sets the printer to be the file, SCREEN.TXT, and
F2 sets it back to the default (PRN).
The Alt-p key has \Kdump assigned to it by default. So:
Alt-p Prints to current SET PRINTER device or file
F1 Alt-p Prints to SCREEN.TXT file
F2 Alt-p Prints to PRN
- Frank
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I'd be grateful if anyone can explain what is going wrong with this
transfer from an UNIX system running AIX to a PC running MS-DOS. It
happens occasionally and a subsequent attempt will succeed without any
changes being made on either the UNIX system or the target PC.
Sending C04067.XFR
as C04067.XFR
mode: text
file character set US ASCII
xfer character set transparent
refused disposition
*** interrupted, sending discard request
Thanks ... Eric
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From: cmosley@voicenet.com (Christopher Mosley)
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Subject: Re: 132x43 text mode
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Christopher Mosley (cmosley@voicenet.com) wrote:
Though you can start mskermit in available text modes, there seems
to be no way to switch back and forth while using kermit - other than
to and from 80x25 and 132x25 ?
cmosley
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <859969673.27378@dejanews.com>, <e.ingram@uk22p.bull.co.uk> wrote:
: I'd be grateful if anyone can explain what is going wrong with this
: transfer from an UNIX system running AIX to a PC running MS-DOS. It
: happens occasionally and a subsequent attempt will succeed without any
: changes being made on either the UNIX system or the target PC.
:
: Sending C04067.XFR
: as C04067.XFR
: mode: text
: file character set US ASCII
: xfer character set transparent
: refused disposition
: *** interrupted, sending discard request
:
Normally when you send a file, the disposition (what to do with the file
when it arrives) is "store it on the disk". However, Kermit can also send
files with other dispositions, like "print", "send as e-mail", "submit as
a batch job", etc. If the receiver does not support the indicated
disposition, or cannot handle the specifics (e.g. an invalid printer name
was given for a print job), it refuses the file with reason: disposition.
- Frank
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From: rober@proxys.it (Roberto Perelli)
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I'have an application written with DELPHI and running under WINDOWS 31
that run MS-Kermit 3.14 within a DOS shell.
Kermit executes some scripts to dial-up, connect, terminal emulation
and file transfer.
At the end, when the last script hungs-up the modem Kermit stops and
does not terminate releasing the DOS shell.
This does not happens in all cases, but happened on two different PC
with same RAM, config.sys, autoexec.bat, win.ini.
Any idea about?
Thank you in advance.
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: MS-Kermit 3.14 hungs up under MS-WINDOWS 31
Date: 2 Apr 1997 17:06:54 GMT
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In article <334270ae.28549042@news.inet.it>,
Roberto Perelli <rober@proxys.it> wrote:
: I'have an application written with DELPHI and running under WINDOWS 31
: that run MS-Kermit 3.14 within a DOS shell.
: Kermit executes some scripts to dial-up, connect, terminal emulation
: and file transfer.
:
: At the end, when the last script hungs-up the modem Kermit stops and
: does not terminate releasing the DOS shell.
:
: This does not happens in all cases, but happened on two different PC
: with same RAM, config.sys, autoexec.bat, win.ini.
:
First, make sure your script is REALLY hanging up the modem. See the
Kermit FAQ, item 13:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt
Second, if your version of MS-DOS Kermit has a SET EXIT WARNING command,
include "set exit warning off" in your script (in case the modem does not
turn off the Carrier Detect signal).
Third, after taking every measure to ensure the modem is hung up, make
sure your script executes an EXIT command.
If none of these help, then you'll have to look more carefully at your
Delphi program and/or Windows configuration.
- Frank
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From: tem@library.humboldt.edu (Tom Mendenhall)
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I know this is a kermit list, but it is related to mskermit.
We have a Netware 3.12 server running Netware Connect 1.x with
NCS services loaded.
I can load nasi and nint14 on the workstation. If the single
com port is being used by another workstation, nasi and nint14
load, but the user can't connect. The errorlevel returned by
nint14 does not give an indication of success in connecting
to the port (loaded in a batch file).
Is it possible to write a program that checks DTR on
the com port to see if the port is busy? Any ideas would be
appreciated.
Thanks,
Tom Mendenhall
HSU Library systems
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1
** "CLONING" MOVIE MAY PROVOKE THEATER RIOTS! **
Anticipation is so high for the new sci-fi action movie AGENT ACTION!
that international theater owners are worried. Some feel their venues may be the
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distributors. The winner may have more than just an ordinary hit on its hands.
It may have the milestone catalyst of an international event.
***************************************************************************************************
2
OSCAR PICK FAVE FOR 97 ? AGENT ACTION!
Talk for the next Oscars has already started. And the news is overwhelming for
one film: AGENT ACTION!
What "ACTION" seems to have is what the current Oscar picks lacked: both
great directing, great acting, and great writing all in one. And the lions credit is
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Insiders are predicting Blair may receive the most multiple Oscar wins ever:
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It would certainly be a day for the all time record books. Of course this is
just speculation at this point. One thing is certain, though, 1997 is the year for
moviegoers to enjoy AGENT ACTION!
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
3
CAN AGENT ACTION! CRUSH SCHWARZENEGGER?
One fact seems clear: William Blair is the world's hot new action star!
Not only that, he appears to be a World-Class director as well. It is this multi-talent
capability- and freshness- that has Schwarzeneger and Stallone scared - yes, the
world seems to be saying, replace these old fogies with new talent!
William Blair, and AGENT ACTION! seem to be the cure for the movie goers
case of tired old action star Blues! Arnold / Sly - next stop is the old folks rest home
for you!
We're William Blair fans now! Long live # 1 action star William Blair! - AGENT
ACTION!
//////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
4
SEX, NUDITY, AND AGENT ACTION!
For the many curious to see big breasted naked actresses in AGENT ACTION!,-
there is good news. A preview/trailer is now reportedly in the cutting stages.
This minute and a half of selected scenes should wet the palate of the curious.
AGENT ACTION!, a "Bond" type thriller set in the near future, is highly anticipated.
It reportedly features the aforementioned Big breasted actresses ( including Erika
Olsen/ Playboy Mar 97 ) among several other ravishing beauties.
The movie is said to star and be directed by multi talented new leading man
William Blair. Celebrity guest villains round out the colorful cast.
The movie apparently also features lush exotic locations from around the world.
Excellent cinematography and a tight nit thriller story round out this highly anticipated
production.
This is probably the most anticipated movie on the planet today. And the
thought of a trailer - possibly soon downloadable on the net - is fantastic. But hurry
please! The wait is almost more than curious movie buffs can bear!
****************** /////////////////////////// ************************* ///////////////
5
JAPANESE "ABREAST" OF AGENT ACTION!
Tokyo. If there's one group of moviegoers clamoring to see AGENT ACTION! -
It's the Japanese. They certainly have a yen for big breasted naked blondes - and
AGENT ACTION! will supply that - and more!
Nippon theater owners apparently are in a rare fight to obtain the first prints of
AGENT ACTION! It is said to be the most anticipated movie in the Orient.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
6
WHY DOES AGENT ACTION FEATURE NUDE BREASTS?
'Cause Secret Agents love them! How could Sean Connery, Roger Moore, or
Pierce Brosnan battle villains without a little jiggle? And the same goes for new Agent
extraordinaire William Blair - AGENT ACTION!
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
7
RUSH - FOR WORLD WIDE RELEASE
IS AGENT ACTION! THE GREATEST MOVIE EVER MADE?
Film fans, critics, and cinephiles the world over are engaged in a heated debate.
Is the new Sci-fi action film AGENT ACTION! the greatest movie ever made?
Opposition is fierce. Names such as Welles, Kubrick, Scorsese, Spielberg, and
Oliver Stone are of course getting huge support.
Movies such as Citizen Kane, 2001, Goodfellas, ET, and Platoon are being
heralded as the all time champs.
And yet, the new found furor won't subside. AGENT ACTION! now has its own
legions of rising vocal fans. And its star/ director William Blair is receiving the lion's
share of the credit.
Can this new group of fans, of a movie not yet even released be right? Can
the few purportedly bootlegged copies of an advance rough cut be enough proof?
Is AGENT ACTION! such a highly commendable piece of celluloid?
History be damned these new fans seem to be saying. Forget the work of the
"old fogies", William Blair Is the brilliant purveyor of cinema's future!
And AGENT ACTION! is proof - at 24 frames per living color second!
===============================================================
8
SEX, ROMANCE, AND AGENT ACTION - WILLIAM BLAIR!
Girls, Good News - William Blair is single! Yes the 6 ft, 185 lb. leading man is
available! And if his blue eyes don't get you - his charming and suave manner will!
Check him out in AGENT ACTION! Then in his exciting new upcoming feature
THE RIDE!
(((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((
9
WAR! - BIDDING BATTLE BREWING
Major movie distributors are sharpening their pens. Agents and Lawyers are taking
sides. Telephone faxes are arming for duty.
Why? For the bloody battle over the international distribution rights to AGENT
ACTION!
The movie world landscape is now upside down. How? Witness ancient releases
like Star Wars now doing first run BlockBuster business. Plus expensive new releases
are bombing. With this confusion its a new war out there. And formerly defended
movie turf is up for grabs!
Which studio army can capture the anticipated blockbuster AGENT ACTION!?
Will it be a major battaliion force like UNIVERSAL? Of can a rising guierrila army
like Miramax or Gramercy capture the goods?
No one can predict the battle's outcome yet. But one victor is certain: the
Audience. The World Audience - millions of popcorn and action loving troops who
will be the happy victors as they embrace viewing AGENT ACTION!
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
10
WILLIAM BLAIR - TRUE INDEPENDENT - NOT SUNDANCE ASS- KISSER
While most Independent filmmakers nowadays are just shameless ass kissers - of
Sundance "god" Robert Redford, William Blair stands alone.
The so called Independent movie movement is sickening. Independent -
Independent of what?
Most of these films are undisguised "auditions" for studio jobs. And the cast
lists of these movies look exactly like their Studio cousins: Tori Spelling for godsakes!
And most of these butt-kiss directors need to start living a life - rather than
patterning these grotesque homages to angst populated by the ever tiring Steve
Buscemi ( Whoever said this guy could act? )
The real barfola however, is how the "intelligensia" and "psuedo hip" are
pronouncing Oscar kudos on these lightweight nothing movies.
Lets face if folks: Ransom was a much better film than Fargo. Wake up you
morons. Can anyone even sit through Fargo twice without falling into a deep coma.
And last years Spitfire Grill - what a joke that was! It had all the thrills and
technique of a bad TV movie of the week!
Is there hope? Damn tootin!
And my vote for movie of the year is AGENT ACTION! It cuts the sprocket holes
off those "independent" lemming-ized ass-kisser movies .
///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
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Hello,
I am about to embark on a project that will attempt to connect a Win95
PC to a MicroVax running MicroVMS 4.6 -- My medium will be the DEC
ethernet. Both the Vax and the PC are already connected to the hub. The
question is -- Is my plan to use Kermit to interface the two systems via
the DEC ethernet plausible? Or am I going to try something that won't
work?
Thanks for your Ideas,
Bill
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In article <5hovd7$c62$1@news2.voicenet.com>, cmosley@voicenet.com (Christopher Mosley) writes:
> Christopher Mosley (cmosley@voicenet.com) wrote:
>
>
> Though you can start mskermit in available text modes, there seems
> to be no way to switch back and forth while using kermit - other than
> to and from 80x25 and 132x25 ?
> cmosley
----------------
The remote host can request 80 or 132 column screens, the user can
request the same (SET TERM WIDTH). 25 rows is standard for VTxxx terminals,
43 lines is a PC item supported by some display adapters and not by others,
and often in vendor specific form, so I can't deal with that effectively in
the Kermit code.
Joe D.
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <33431927.B72@azstarnet.com>,
Bill Wailgum <wjwjr@azstarnet.com> wrote:
: I am about to embark on a project that will attempt to connect a Win95
: PC to a MicroVax running MicroVMS 4.6 -- My medium will be the DEC
: ethernet. Both the Vax and the PC are already connected to the hub. The
: question is -- Is my plan to use Kermit to interface the two systems via
: the DEC ethernet plausible? Or am I going to try something that won't
: work?
:
You need something "under" Kermit first. There are many alternatives,
none of them free (well, few of them). You need to purchase a TCP/IP
package for VMS (Windows 95 already has TCP/IP), or else you need to
purchase a LAT or DECnet product for Windows 95 (VMS already has LAT and
DECnet). TCP/IP usually makes the most sense, because you can use it to
access "billions and billions" of computers and services. (There is also
a free TCP/IP for VMS -- the CMU/Tektronix version -- but by all accounts
installation and upkeep are a big job compared to the commercial
products.)
Having done this, you'll need a good VT320 emulator for Windows 95.
Kermit 95 can do this over LAT (Meridian Technologies SuperLAT) or TCP/IP
(Telnet or Rlogin), and of course also on serial connections, direct or
dialed. More info at:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html
And of course C-Kermit for VMS:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html
- Frank
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From: richardfeinberg@usa.net
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Subject: FIREARMS SALE
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 1997 16:04:02
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An estate collection consisting of over 200 new and used handguns, long guns
and shotsguns is available for sale. Call Richard at Guns Are Us for information and
pricing.
Included in the collection are Glocks including the new Glock 30 (compact .45 -
10 shot), Smith & Wessons, Rugers. Winchesters, and a large assortrment of
paramilitary and law enforcement firearms. Firearms must be received by a Federal
Firearms Licensee.
telephone 508 285 8340
e-mail gunsrus@gis.net
An abridged list of the items contained the firearm collection follows:
>MANUFACTURER……..MODEL……OPTIONS…………………CONDITIONS…. PRICE(CASH)<
>AMT…………………….BACKUP…45,.40,9mm……………………NEW……………….$265<
>ARMSCOR……………AK-47 .22…….STD…………………………NEW………………$165<
>…………………………M-16...22……..STD…………………………NEW………………$165<
>ARSENAL……………SLR-95………..STD…………………………NEW………………$295<
>AUTAUGA ARMS……AUT. 32………STD…………………………NEW………………$450<
>BUSHMASTER(POST).XM15-E2S…16,20,24"HBAR………………NEW………………$695<
………………………….IBIS………..21" HBAR…………………….NEW………………$625<
>CENTURY ARMS……..MAS49/56…..A LOT………………………VG/EXC……………$360<
>…………………………..C-15…………HRD.CS……………………VG/EXC……………$499<
>………………………….K-98…………3rd REICH………………….VG/EXC……………$169<
>
>DAEWOO………………DR-200………STD…………………………NEW……………….$465<
>GLOCK…………………30……………FS, .45ACP…………………NEW………………..$550<
>…………………………..29……………FS, 10mm……………………NEW……………….$550<
>…………………………..17,19,26……..FS,9mm……………………..NEW………………..$420<
>…………………………..22,23,27……..FS,.40S&W…………………NEW……………….$420<
>…………………………..23C…………..PORTED……………………NEW……………….$480<
>…………………………..21……………FS, .45ACP………………….NEW……………….$480<
GRENDEL………………P-30…………BLUE 30 rd …………………NEW……………….$280<
HI-POINT CARB……………………….BLUE 10 rd …………………NEW………………..$150<
………………………………………CHROME 10 rd…………………NEW………………..$160<
>
>KELTEC…………………P-11………..FS,MATTE…………………..NEW………………..$220<
>……………………………P-11……….FS,PKRD……………………..NEW……………….$230<
>
>MOSSBERG……………M590A1……MARINECOTE……………….NEW………………..$335<
>…………………………….590………PRKD,HT.SH………………….NEW………………..$325<
>
>RUGER…………………KP94DLE………INT.LSR…………………..NEW………………..$650<
>………………………….KP95D…………STD………………………..NEW………………..$265<
>………………………….KP89D…………STD………………………..NEW………………..$335<
>………………………….SP-101…………2"bbl……………………….NEW………………..$330<
>…………………………M77VLE………BIPOD,RINGS……………..NEW………………..$569<
>
>SAVAGE………………900TR…………..STD………………………..NEW………………..$350<
>
>S&W…………………….22A……………AS,S/S………………………NEW………………$240<
>…………………………..457…………….BLUE………………………NEW……………….$365<
>…………………………..457………….TWO TONE………………….NEW……………….$390<
GUNS ARE US
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From: mikef@pacifier.com (Mike Freeman)
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Subject: Any Way to Ascertain "Set Quiet" Status?
Date: 3 Apr 1997 21:24:44 GMT
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In writing scripts for C-Kermit, is there anyway to ascertain the status
of "set quiet"? That is, from a script, is there any way to tell whether
someone has done a "set quiet on" or "set quiet off"?
Thanks in advance.
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Any Way to Ascertain "Set Quiet" Status?
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In article <5i176s$87h$1@news.pacifier.com>,
Mike Freeman <mikef@pacifier.com> wrote:
: In writing scripts for C-Kermit, is there anyway to ascertain the status
: of "set quiet"? That is, from a script, is there any way to tell whether
: someone has done a "set quiet on" or "set quiet off"?
:
Currently, no, sorry. Ideally we would have a variable or IF condition
for every conceivable setting, but that's an awful lot of code... But this
one could be added easily -- I'll put it on the list for a future release.
- Frank
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I'm looking for some help finding a PC based TERMINAL emulation
software for communications to a Prime host over a modem (RS232),
which is compatible with the following KERMIT running on a Prime
Computer:
Kermit-Prime , Version 2.03, dated 4/29/87 (Long Packets)
My current PC based softwares are erroring because of a requirement
for a 5 bit checksum. I need a CLIENT APPLICATION which will match
the above mentioned KERMIT SERVER.
HELP!!! I'd appreciate suggestions from anyone. I can also use SCO
UNIX based software for the same purpose.
Thanks in advance...
David
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In article <5htrl1$gme$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:
>
> Normally when you send a file, the disposition (what to do with the file
> when it arrives) is "store it on the disk". However, Kermit can also send
> files with other dispositions, like "print", "send as e-mail", "submit as
> a batch job", etc. If the receiver does not support the indicated
> disposition, or cannot handle the specifics (e.g. an invalid printer name
> was given for a print job), it refuses the file with reason: disposition.
>
In this instance, the default "store it on disk" disposition is in use.
Checks have been made on the target PC and there is no shortage of space
available. The target destination on the PC is *not* the root directory
so there can be no problem with the number of files present in the target
directory.
The connection between the systems is a dial_up line and is generally
reliable.
What circumstances might give rise to this type of transfer failure?
Eric
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: HELP with Kermit???!!!
Date: 4 Apr 1997 16:21:24 GMT
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In article <33445f58.5643663@news>,
Distinguished Properties Realtors <dp-realtors@vail.net> wrote:
: I'm looking for some help finding a PC based TERMINAL emulation
: software for communications to a Prime host over a modem (RS232),
: which is compatible with the following KERMIT running on a Prime
: Computer:
:
: Kermit-Prime , Version 2.03, dated 4/29/87 (Long Packets)
:
: My current PC based softwares are erroring because of a requirement
: for a 5 bit checksum. I need a CLIENT APPLICATION which will match
: the above mentioned KERMIT SERVER.
:
You didn't say what operating system your PC is running. DOS? Windows 3.x?
Windows 95? Windows NT? OS/2? Some form of UNIX? etc etc. We have
Kermit software for all of these, and it should be compatible with the Prime
version. Or if it isn't, you can upgrade your Prime version of Kermit to
the current release, 8.15, April 1993, which was tested against the other
Kermit programs for interoperability.
: HELP!!! I'd appreciate suggestions from anyone. I can also use SCO
: UNIX based software for the same purpose.
:
We have that too. Browse through our website to find the appropriate Kermit
software for your PC platform:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/
- Frank
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: wanted: Refused Disposition explanation
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In article <860140780.32126@dejanews.com>, <e.ingram@uk22p.bull.co.uk> wrote:
: In article <5htrl1$gme$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:
: > Normally when you send a file, the disposition (what to do with the file
: > when it arrives) is "store it on the disk". However, Kermit can also send
: > files with other dispositions, like "print", "send as e-mail", "submit as
: > a batch job", etc. If the receiver does not support the indicated
: > disposition, or cannot handle the specifics (e.g. an invalid printer name
: > was given for a print job), it refuses the file with reason: disposition.
:
: In this instance, the default "store it on disk" disposition is in use.
:
If you can reproduce the problem, please collect a packet log and send it in
to kermit-support@columbia.edu for analysis, along with a description of the
systems, OSs, Kermit programs, and versions on each end.
- Frank
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Maryland is going to 4 area codes from 2 shortly, but with the
overlay scheme so that my neighbor may have a different area
code. I can dial these with or without the (1-) prefix.
How can I tell Kermit that all local calls within the two
area codes I now have need the area code added to the dialer?
As a fix, I've set my area code to 000, so that all calls
are now considered long distance. I'm mainly using C-Kermit
on UNIX, but I also use MS and K95.
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Area code "overlay" dialing
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In article <5i315e$1tl$1@news.abs.net>,
Webmaster Jim <jspath@mail.bcpl.lib.md.us> wrote:
: Maryland is going to 4 area codes from 2 shortly, but with the
: overlay scheme so that my neighbor may have a different area
: code. I can dial these with or without the (1-) prefix.
: How can I tell Kermit that all local calls within the two
: area codes I now have need the area code added to the dialer?
:
: As a fix, I've set my area code to 000, so that all calls
: are now considered long distance. I'm mainly using C-Kermit
: on UNIX, but I also use MS and K95.
:
Do you have the second edition of "Using C-Kermit"? Did you read
Chapter 5? Basically, the upshot is: there is NO WAY Kermit or
any other program could know that +1 (301) 7654321 is a local call,
but +1 (301) 7654322 is long distance. So you'll need to construct
macros along the lines of those described on pages 110-112 of the
manual, and use the appropriate one for dialing each kind of number.
If you don't have the second edition, look for this info in the
DIALING.DOC (or .TXT) file in your Kermit 95 DOCS directory.
- Frank
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e.ingram@uk22p.bull.co.uk wrote:
: In this instance, the default "store it on disk" disposition is in use.
Perhaps a "set file names literal" with a name from the mainframe that is
illegal on the PC?
Or "set file send pathnames on", with a drive/directory spec that isn't
understood?
--
---
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- Pope Valley & Napa CA.
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: testing for busy networked com port
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In article <5hu5vm$9jc$1@nuke.csu.net>, tem@library.humboldt.edu (Tom Mendenhall) writes:
> I know this is a kermit list, but it is related to mskermit.
> We have a Netware 3.12 server running Netware Connect 1.x with
> NCS services loaded.
>
> I can load nasi and nint14 on the workstation. If the single
> com port is being used by another workstation, nasi and nint14
> load, but the user can't connect. The errorlevel returned by
> nint14 does not give an indication of success in connecting
> to the port (loaded in a batch file).
>
> Is it possible to write a program that checks DTR on
> the com port to see if the port is busy? Any ideas would be
> appreciated.
>
> Thanks,
> Tom Mendenhall
> HSU Library systems
------------
Tom, you are right: the msg is well off topic for this list.
Try an RS-232C breakout box (see your campus datacoms people or any
computer comms supply house).
Joe D.
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I am trying to set the above prefix using both
set dial prefix
set dial pbx-prefix
but kermit seems to dial ATDT00... without the "," !
Does anybody have a suggestion?
Karsten Kreher internet kk@pixie.swb.de
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When running script-managed telnet sessions with K95 (1.1.11), characters
sent via the output command aren't echoed locally. Characters typed in
CONNECT mode are, though, as are characters sent via the TRANSMIT command
(which follows the local SET TERM setting, according to Using C-K e2;
again indicating that the local echo is set appropriately). A check of
the active connection shows that "Echoing is currently local."
I don't want to have them echoed by the remote server, since everything
works fine in connect mode, and I can manually insert echo commands into
the script to display such output data as might be necessary to clarify
the session, but I thought I'd check first to see if I was missing
something.
Maybe some magical SET OUTPUT ECHO ON command?
TIA for any help you can give. (BTW, no problem with echoing output in
similar scripts using MSK 3.15.)
Jay
Jay Daly jay@bidmc.harvard.edu
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <E85r7r.rM@pixie.swb.de>, KK <kk@pixie.swb.de> wrote:
: I am trying to set the above prefix using both
: set dial prefix
: set dial pbx-prefix
: but kermit seems to dial ATDT00... without the "," !
:
I assume you are talking about C-Kermit or Kermit 95 or Kermit/2,
right?
It's not clear from your question what, exactly, you are trying to do.
What do you mean by "prefix"? Long-distance prefix? International
prefix? PBX outside line prefix?
Where are you dialing from, and what number are you dialing, and what
do you want Kermit to do to the number before dialing it? Are you using
a dialing directory? Is the telephone number you are calling stored in
portable or literal format?
It sounds like you need to read Chapter 5 of "Using C-Kermit", second
edition, which explains dialing procedures in complete detail:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html
- Frank
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: K95 Script Local Echoing
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In article <Pine.SUN.3.94.970405105100.9562A-100000@mercury>,
Jay Daly <jay@bidmc.harvard.edu> wrote:
:
: When running script-managed telnet sessions with K95 (1.1.11), characters
: sent via the output command aren't echoed locally. Characters typed in
: CONNECT mode are, though, as are characters sent via the TRANSMIT command
: (which follows the local SET TERM setting, according to Using C-K e2;
: again indicating that the local echo is set appropriately). A check of
: the active connection shows that "Echoing is currently local."
:
: I don't want to have them echoed by the remote server, since everything
: works fine in connect mode, and I can manually insert echo commands into
: the script to display such output data as might be necessary to clarify
: the session, but I thought I'd check first to see if I was missing
: something.
:
: Maybe some magical SET OUTPUT ECHO ON command?
:
: TIA for any help you can give. (BTW, no problem with echoing output in
: similar scripts using MSK 3.15.)
:
Good call. If DUPLEX is HALF (or TERMINAL ECHO is LOCAL, same thing) and
SET INPUT ECHO is ON, then OUTPUT should also echo locally. Presently it
does not. We'll fix this in the next release. (Btw, OUTPUT does handle
session logging correctly in this case.)
- Frank
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <860140780.32126@dejanews.com>, e.ingram@uk22p.bull.co.uk writes:
> In article <5htrl1$gme$1@apakabar.cc.columbia.edu>,
> fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:
>>
>> Normally when you send a file, the disposition (what to do with the file
>> when it arrives) is "store it on the disk". However, Kermit can also send
>> files with other dispositions, like "print", "send as e-mail", "submit as
>> a batch job", etc. If the receiver does not support the indicated
>> disposition, or cannot handle the specifics (e.g. an invalid printer name
>> was given for a print job), it refuses the file with reason: disposition.
>>
>
> In this instance, the default "store it on disk" disposition is in use.
> Checks have been made on the target PC and there is no shortage of space
> available. The target destination on the PC is *not* the root directory
> so there can be no problem with the number of files present in the target
> directory.
>
> The connection between the systems is a dial_up line and is generally
> reliable.
>
> What circumstances might give rise to this type of transfer failure?
----------
Because MS-DOS must use DOS to access the file system then any
blockage of writing to the named file will result in an error condition.
Simply marking a file as read-only is sufficient. Similarly, if another
program has the file opened for exclusive access then writing will be
blocked.
Joe D.
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From: stevenr@psd.com.au (Steven Russell)
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Subject: mskermit 'all possible terminal settings tried unsuccessfull'
Date: 7 Apr 1997 06:25:35 GMT
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Hi,
I'm trying to use MS-kermit to send and received files from an AIX server.
Mskermit version is
IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 8 July 1993
MS-DOS KErmit 3.01 initialization file
I'm dialing the unix server from the pc (running win95). After getting a
connect signal the message 'all possible terminal settings tried
unsuccessfully' and the modem drops carrier. I can use a different pc /
modem and connect to
the same modem on the unix server using the same MSkermit version and after
the connect signal I get a login prompt (ie: works perfectly). On the laptop
which has problems connecting using kermit I can use a different terminal
emulater and I do not get any problems. I think I've elimiated the possiblity
of a hardward problem. Could it be the MSkermit version? If so where can
I get a newer version? Is there problems using MSkermit on a pc running '95?
Any assitance greatly appreciated.
regards
stevenr@psd.com.au
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: mskermit 'all possible terminal settings tried unsuccessfull'
Date: 7 Apr 1997 14:54:47 GMT
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In article <5ia40v$odt@psdcomms.psd.com.au>,
Steven Russell <stevenr@psd.com.au> wrote:
: Hi,
:
: I'm trying to use MS-kermit to send and received files from an AIX server.
: Mskermit version is
: IBM-PC MS-DOS Kermit 3.13 8 July 1993
: MS-DOS KErmit 3.01 initialization file
:
: I'm dialing the unix server from the pc (running win95).
:
Then you should be using Kermit 95:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html
- Frank
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From: Roy Buzdor <LNUSLAD.DZVG41@eds.com>
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I have been using Kermit-RTE on an HP-1000 for several
years now. I have 2 versions, 0.99 and 1.98, which as
far as I can determine, are pretty much the same.
These older version of Kermit lack an IF-THEN structure,
which I need to perform automated data-comm. Is there
a newer version of Kermit available for the HP-1000?
[No, I do not have a C compiler to compile the CKermit,
and RTE is different enough from UNIX, that it would
require changes to the code for system calls.] I would
appreciate any help for this old, but faithful machine.
Buz
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit-RTE
Date: 7 Apr 1997 18:10:32 GMT
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In article <33493593.428E@eds.com>, Roy Buzdor <LNUSLAD.DZVG41@eds.com> wrote:
: I have been using Kermit-RTE on an HP-1000 for several
: years now. I have 2 versions, 0.99 and 1.98, which as
: far as I can determine, are pretty much the same.
:
Actually the current version is 1.99D, January 1990, which
added support for the D-series multiplexer and drivers.
: These older version of Kermit lack an IF-THEN structure,
: which I need to perform automated data-comm. Is there
: a newer version of Kermit available for the HP-1000?
:
If there is, nobody has sent it in to the Kermit Project.
: [No, I do not have a C compiler to compile the CKermit,
: and RTE is different enough from UNIX, that it would
: require changes to the code for system calls.] I would
: appreciate any help for this old, but faithful machine.
:
It would be a significant amount of work to port C-Kermit
(which has a full-featured script programming language,
including IF-ELSE, WHILE, FOR, SWITCH, variables, arrays,
block structure, etc) to RTE (or for that matter, MPX), but
if anybody is interested in taking on this task, let me know.
- Frank
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From: Roy Buzdor <LNUSLAD.DZVG41@eds.com>
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc,comp.sys.hp.misc
Subject: Re: Flow Control problem (AIX<->RTE-A)
Date: Mon, 07 Apr 1997 13:52:35 -0700
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Frank da Cruz wrote:
>
> In article <3339B409.44A8@tpts1.seed.net.tw>,
> Chien <fpgrk00@tpts1.seed.net.tw> wrote:
> :
> : Did anyone ever use Kermit to connect a HP1000 and a RS/6000 machine?
> : I use Kermit to connect a IBM RS/6000 (AIX) and a HP1000 (RTE-A) machine
> : ...
> : [/home/temp] C-Kermit>CONNECT
> : Connecting to /dev/tty3, speed 9600.
> : The escape character is Ctrl-\ (ASCII 28, FS)
> : Type the escape character followed by C to get back,
> : or followed by ? to see other options.
> : xxx3``L~
> : (Back at fpg40a)
> :
> I don't think the total garbage you see after CONNECT results from a
> lack or proper flow control -- it looks more like a serial-speed and/or
> parity mismatch.
>
> In UNIX, flow control must be done by the device driver. The AIX
> serial-port device driver does not support ETX/ACK, so there is no way
> to have this form of flow control between AIX C-Kermit and RTE-A.
>
> Maybe there is some way you can make the HP1000 use Xon/Xoff?
>
>
> - Frank
The HP-1000 can be made to do XON/XOFF flow control on that port
by typing in the command
CN <LU> 34b 1
at a "CI" prompt. (Where <LU> is the port number of the connection).
I have several HP-1000 computers talking to Unix machines, RS-6000s
and HP-9000s. For each of the machines, I have the HP-1000 ports
set to XON/XOFF. The transfers work quite well.
Buz
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From: Eric Hagman <Eric.Hagman@etrc.ericsson.se>
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Subject: DA primary device attributes request
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Hi !
I am using MS-Dos Kermit 3.15 to substitute a VT100 terminal, Connected
to a PDP11
( RS232C, COM2 9600 8N1 xon/xoff, full VT320 key mapping, Term type
VT100 ).
For the most it runs well, But a few programs asks for Term ID with a
diffrent control sequence which Kermit does´nt understand, "ESC [ 0 c",
Kermit only understand "ESC [ c", and then the graphics are gone :-(.
I have not found any setup parameter for "DA primary device attributes
request"
( see page 301, 302 and 308 in "Using MS-DOS Kermit" Second Edition (c)
1992 ).
My user guide for VT100 states "What Are You: Invoked by ESC [ c OR
ESC [ 0 c .....".
Please, any suggestions are appreciated.
Many Thanks
Eric
Evry day:
Eric.Hagman@etrc.ericsson.se
And somtimes:
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From: monte aspevig <monte.aspevig@mcmail.vanderbilt.edu>
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Subject: script recorder
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Hello.
Does anyone know of a way to record scripts interactively using Kermit95
or CKERMIT? I'm trying to automate some of the script writing chore...
By "record a script", I mean to trap all text sent and received by the
emulator into a Kermit script file which I can use as a template and
modify as needed.
I Couldn't find anything on the topic in either of the following books,
both written by Christine Gianone & Frank da Cruz; "Kermit 95,
communications software for windows 95" and "Using C-Kermit,
communication software for..."
Anything you can provide would be helpful.
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: script recorder
Date: 9 Apr 1997 00:38:03 GMT
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In article <334ABB42.169@mcmail.vanderbilt.edu>,
monte aspevig <monte.aspevig@mcmail.vanderbilt.edu> wrote:
: Does anyone know of a way to record scripts interactively using Kermit95
: or CKERMIT? I'm trying to automate some of the script writing chore...
:
: By "record a script", I mean to trap all text sent and received by the
: emulator into a Kermit script file which I can use as a template and
: modify as needed.
:
Kermit presently does not do this. It's on our list of things to add.
- Frank
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From: clotscher@coh.fgg.eur.nl (Pim Clotscher)
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Subject: Protection of K95 dialer entries
Date: 9 Apr 1997 11:34:00 GMT
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Dear Kermit 95 users,
I would like to know how to make a collection of shared network host
connections in the dialer that the user cannot modify (just like the
pre-installed entries). Besides of that the user must be able to make his own
entries, having all options available. We have K95 on a Netware server. By
making the dialer's .DAT files read-only you can prevent modifications, but
the user cannot add his own entries. The quick connect option is too poor,
because all settings are derived from the default template, and they cannot be
saved.
Thank you for your help!
Sincerely,
--
Pim Clotscher
Erasmus University Rotterdam - NL
I&A - Computer Support Hoboken
Tel. +31-104087420 / Fax +31-104362719
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Date: 9 Apr 1997 13:44:09 GMT
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In article <5ifur8$d0g@newton.fgg.eur.nl>,
Pim Clotscher <clotscher@coh.fgg.eur.nl> wrote:
: I would like to know how to make a collection of shared network host
: connections in the dialer that the user cannot modify (just like the
: pre-installed entries). Besides of that the user must be able to make his
: own entries, having all options available. We have K95 on a Netware
: server. By making the dialer's .DAT files read-only you can prevent
: modifications, but the user cannot add his own entries.
:
The instructions for doing this are in the FAQ.TXT file in your Kermit 95
directory.
- Frank
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From: geo@camco.celestial.com (George Clute)
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Subject: Calling Scripts SCO Unix
Date: 9 Apr 1997 23:47:18 GMT
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I'm trying to write a script for C-Kermit, however after
the modems negotiate the call ends. After rtfm I find
not examples of scripts. Could someone post an executable
script for C-Kermit 5A(190) 4 Oct 94 for SCO OSR 5.0
Thanks in advance...
geo@celestial.com
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Hi everybody!
I would like to know how to hang up kermit without killing the connections.
That means to use kermit only as a dialer to build up a slip connection.
Background: I log in at a computer who calls me back to build up a slip
connection (my system is aix 3.2.5) After teh second connect I nedd kermit
to terminate without clearing the device. Is that possible?
Sabine
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Hangup without killing device
Date: 10 Apr 1997 16:32:09 GMT
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In article <slrn5kpjq7.gmn.srichard@xlink67.xlink.net>,
Sabine Richard-Schneider <srichard@xlink.net> wrote:
: I would like to know how to hang up kermit without killing the connections.
: That means to use kermit only as a dialer to build up a slip connection.
:
: Background: I log in at a computer who calls me back to build up a slip
: connection (my system is aix 3.2.5) After teh second connect I nedd kermit
: to terminate without clearing the device. Is that possible?
:
>From the Kermit FAQ:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt
27 HOW CAN I EXIT FROM C-KERMIT WITHOUT HANGING UP?
Many people want to be able to make a dialout connection with UNIX C-Kermit,
but then use some other software on the connection that C-Kermit made. They
quickly find that when they exit from C-Kermit, that the connection is gone
before they can start the other application.
It is a fundamental property of UNIX that when a process exits, then every
file that was opened by that process is automatically closed by UNIX. Closing
a terminal device (such as a dialout tty device) hangs it up (by turning off
the DTR signal). There is nothing the process can do about it.
However, many workarounds are possible. Here are just a few:
- Tell C-Kermit to SET MODEM HANGUP-METHOD RS232, and then configure
your modem to ignore DTR (not recommended).
- Read about the REDIRECT command in the second edition of Using
C-Kermit.
- Find out the file descriptor of the open device (it is given by
C-Kermit's \v(ttyfd) variable) and then run ("!") your other program
from the C-Kermit prompt, feeding it the file descriptor, e.g.
through shell redirection or a command line option (the method
depends on the other program, the capabilities of the shell, etc).
- After Kermit makes the connection, type "show comm" to find out the
filename of the lock file. Then suspend Kermit, delete the lock
file, then start the other program and tell it to open the same tty
device.
Note that you can also tell C-Kermit to use a communications file descriptor
created by another process; see the command-line options list in "Using
C-Kermit", 2nd edition.
- Frank
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From: Archer Graphics <tigger@io.com>
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Subject: [HELP NEEDED] Using external protocols with SCO XENIX
Date: 11 Apr 1997 17:40:29 GMT
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I am trying to get external protocols to work on the latest version of
Kermit (pre)compiled for SCO Xenix/386, but everytime I enter
set protocol zmodem, I get
"?Sorry, REDIRECT capability required for external protocols."
Normally Kermit puts keywords in ALL CAPS, but if REDIRECT is a keyword, I
can find no mention of it.
--
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: [HELP NEEDED] Using external protocols with SCO XENIX
Date: 11 Apr 1997 18:09:48 GMT
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In article <5ilt2d$r4n$1@nntp-3.io.com>,
Archer Graphics <tigger@io.com> wrote:
: I am trying to get external protocols to work on the latest version of
: Kermit (pre)compiled for SCO Xenix/386, but everytime I enter
: set protocol zmodem, I get
: "?Sorry, REDIRECT capability required for external protocols."
:
: Normally Kermit puts keywords in ALL CAPS, but if REDIRECT is a keyword, I
: can find no mention of it.
:
That's because it is not a command in the Xenix version of C-Kermit 6.0.
This is either because the underlying APIs (the wait() system call and the
<sys/wait.h> header file with the symbols WIFEXITED and WEXITSTATUS defined
in it) are not there or else because we are ignorant of them (we don't have
any Xenix systems in-house, nor do we have Telnet/FTP access to any for
development and testing).
If you have a Xenix development system, try building from source code and
add -DCK_REDIR to the CFLAGS. If it compiles without complaint, then it
should work *if* your version of sz/rz allows its standard i/o to be
redirected.
If you don't have a Xenix development system, maybe someone else out there
who does will be willing to give it a shot and report back.
- Frank
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From: Volker Schmidt <volker@Illuminatus.MZ.Rhein-Main.DE>
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Subject: Anyone w/ a script f. german Cityruf?
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Hi!
Just before I reinvent the wheel... Anyone out here with a kermit
script for sending messages to the german paging service
"Cityruf"?
tschö,
--volker
--
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Anyone w/ a script f. german Cityruf?
Date: 13 Apr 1997 20:30:36 GMT
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In article <5iqq13$rg0$1@Illuminatus.MZ.Rhein-Main.DE>,
Volker Schmidt <volker@Illuminatus.MZ.Rhein-Main.DE> wrote:
: Just before I reinvent the wheel... Anyone out here with a kermit
: script for sending messages to the german paging service
: "Cityruf"?
:
If Cityruf uses Telocator Alphanumeric Protocol (TAP), then you can use
the TAP paging script that comes with C-Kermit 6.0:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html
If it is a simple numeric paging service, then it's even easier. See
the Kermit FAQ about how to send pages:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.html
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/faq.txt
If it is something new and different, then of course we would like to know
about it so we can help others who have the same question.
- Frank
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Announcing MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Beta 19
Date: 13 Apr 1997 21:28:14 GMT
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The changes in this Beta address this weekend's change in the definition
of DHCP protocol, from RFC1541 to the new RFCs 2131 and 2133. MS-DOS Kermit
3.15 Beta 19 "complies" with all of them, trying the new method first and if
that fails, trying the original (now incompatible) method second.
SHOW COMMUNICATIONS now distinguishes DHCP from BOOTP.
Thanks to Joe D for keeping MS-DOS Kermit in compliance with the ever
increasing number of items with which we all must comply.
Beta 19 is at:
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/bin/msk315.zip
As with the previous Betas, download this one into your regular MS-DOS Kermit
3.14 directory and unzip it. It makes MSK315.EXE and MSK315.DOC files which
do not conflict with your current installation. To test, just run MSK315
instead of KERMIT. Send reports to kermit-support@columbia.edu.
- Frank
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From: dkanagy@gol.com (Dan Kanagy)
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Subject: Kermit/2 and Japanese
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 1997 08:18:59 +0900
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I've been happily using C-Kermit 5A(191) under Japanese OS/2 for
several years (I even bought the book) and have recently installed
Kermit/2. Unfortunately, while I was able to read Japanese text when
running C-Kermit 5A(191) in an OS/2 window, I no longer seem to be
able to do so with Kermit/2. With C-Kermit 5A(191), setting the
terminal to ANSI and the terminal code-page to 932 allowed me to read
and write Japanese text. This, however, doesn't seem to work with
Kermit/2. I've tried playing with the dialer settings and with
scripts. I've even confirmed through "show term" that the terminal is
set to ANSI and the code-page to 932. But still no Japanese.
In looking through the Kermit/2 documentation, it seems that I may
need to run Kermit/2 in a full screen to display Japanese. This I
haven't tried, however, since this isn't the solution I want. I would
like to display Japanese in a window as I was able to with C-Kermit
5A(191). Is there anything obvious that I am doing wrong? Or has
this feature of C-Kermit 5A(191) been lost by Kermit/2?
Thanks for any help.
--
_____________________________________________________________________________
Dan Kanagy finger for PGP public key dkanagy@gol.com
Tokyo, Japan wordwise@netcom.com
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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: Kermit/2 and Japanese
Date: 15 Apr 1997 04:55:07 GMT
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In article <jtrUz07+w9uM091yn@gol.com>, Dan Kanagy <dkanagy@gol.com> wrote:
: I've been happily using C-Kermit 5A(191) under Japanese OS/2 for
: several years (I even bought the book) and have recently installed
: Kermit/2. Unfortunately, while I was able to read Japanese text when
: running C-Kermit 5A(191) in an OS/2 window, I no longer seem to be
: able to do so with Kermit/2. With C-Kermit 5A(191), setting the
: terminal to ANSI and the terminal code-page to 932 allowed me to read
: and write Japanese text. This, however, doesn't seem to work with
: Kermit/2. I've tried playing with the dialer settings and with
: scripts. I've even confirmed through "show term" that the terminal is
: set to ANSI and the code-page to 932. But still no Japanese.
:
: In looking through the Kermit/2 documentation, it seems that I may
: need to run Kermit/2 in a full screen to display Japanese. This I
: haven't tried, however, since this isn't the solution I want. I would
: like to display Japanese in a window as I was able to with C-Kermit
: 5A(191). Is there anything obvious that I am doing wrong? Or has
: this feature of C-Kermit 5A(191) been lost by Kermit/2?
:
: Thanks for any help.
Are you sure that you were using 5A(191) and not 5A(190)?
There were no changes to the display mechanisms that I can think of
that would have affected the ability to view Japanese text with K/2.
In fact, I am surprise that you would be able to view it with 5a(191).
5a(191) was the first version of OS/2 C-Kermit to use the virtual screen
update mechanism which I would assume would preclude viewing code page
932 properly since neither C-Kermit nor K/2 have support for double
byte character sets.
One change in K/2 is that all data is stored internally as Unicode.
I would check to make sure that your SET TERM REMOTE-CHARACTER-SET is
equal to your SET TERM LOCAL-CHARACTER-SET in both the dialer and
while you are online.
Please contact kermit-support directly for further assistance in this
matter.
Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
The Kermit Project * Columbia University
612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html * kermit-support@columbia.edu
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From: "Eric Kudela" <csroute@hkstar.com>
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Subject: Has anyone ever used Kermit under PC-MOS operating system ?
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I am using Kermit under the PC-MOS operating system, v 5.01 (PC-MOS is a
product of T.S.L.). PC-MOS is a multitasking, DOS compatible operating
system.
I experience several problems :
- using MS-Kermit v 3.14, the complete system slows down dramatically if
Kermit is used on a task different from the basic task (task 0). With
MS-Kermit v 3.13, this problem doesn't happen. But with MS-Kermit v 3.13,
we sometimes have "divide by zero" errors, which do not happen with
MS-Kermit v 3.14.
- I am loosing some lost characters (sent and received) sometimes
- most important, under conditions which are still quite obscure, the
PC-MOS system crashes ("dead" system) during the processing of a script by
Kermit. The system "death" seems to coincide with the processing of a 'get'
command.
The Kermit support provided me some useful information, but they never
heard about PC-MOS.
So : if anyone has ever tried using MS-Kermit with PC-MOS, I would be very
grateful for any information.
Or am I the only one in the world to use Kermit with PC-MOS ???
Thanks.
Eric.
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From: Kathy Beeskow <kbeeskow@netscape.com>
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I'm trying to use Kermit to receive a file from my company's bank.
I get into Kermit and enter
>set modem type usrobotics
>set line /dev/ttyc
>dial 9,xxxxxxx
The bank prompts me to enter a password which I do.
The bank tell me to be ready to receive.
But then while the bank is trying to send me the file it times out.
Do I have to enter 'receive' in the command prompts before I dial out?
If you have any insights I would greatly appreciate the feedback.
Thanks,
Kathy
--
Kathy Beeskow
Netscape Communications
(415) 937-2326
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <3354A3BB.CE791FF1@netscape.com>,
Kathy Beeskow <kbeeskow@netscape.com> wrote:
: I'm trying to use Kermit to receive a file from my company's bank.
:
: I get into Kermit and enter
: >set modem type usrobotics
: >set line /dev/ttyc
: >dial 9,xxxxxxx
:
So it looks like you are using C-Kermit 6.0 on UNIX, which is current.
: The bank prompts me to enter a password which I do.
: The bank tell me to be ready to receive.
: But then while the bank is trying to send me the file it times out.
:
: Do I have to enter 'receive' in the command prompts before I dial out?
:
No, not *before* you dial out.
As explained in the manual, "Using C-Kermit", you have two choices for
how to handle downloads -- manual and automatic:
1. Escape back to the prompt by typing Ctrl-Backslash and then the
letter C, and then give a RECEIVE command. Or:
2. Before making the connection, tell C-Kermit to:
set terminal autodownload
and then it detects that the other side has started a download and
automatically go into receive mode.
: If you have any insights I would greatly appreciate the feedback.
:
You can find out about the manual and how to get it at:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html
All of this assumes you are using Kermit protocol, not Zmodem protocol as
indicated in the subject of your posting. If you need to use Zmodem
protocol, all the same advice applies, except you must find and configure a
Zmodem file-transfer program as an external protocol to C-Kermit. This is
explained in Chapter 14 of the manual (the new second edition; this material
is not in the first edition).
- Frank
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Subject: help: File Xfer, PC & HP1000 ?
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Does anyone know of a good method of transfering files between a PC
and an HP1000 E/F series computer running RTE-6/VM rev 2310 (pre-CI)?
I have tried Advancelink and Reflection but they are slow and only work
with ASCII files since it's just screen logging. I also looked at a
version of KERMIT for RTE-6 from Columbia's KERMIT ftp site but it's for
newer revs of RTE (with CI). I heard there may be a version of Xmodem
that
will work but can't find any info. Our HP's have DS1000 cards and 12972C
8 channel mux cards. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
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Is it possible to use ms kermit to issue a carrier detect signal
somehow?
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: carrier detect signal ?
Date: 17 Apr 1997 23:18:12 GMT
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In article <3355fe5a.2510622@NEWS.INDIGO.IE>, alan <offline@INDIGO.IE> wrote:
: Is it possible to use ms kermit to issue a carrier detect signal
: somehow?
:
Kermit runs on a computer. CD is a signal from the modem TO the computer.
The computer can't issue it. You can force your MODEM to issue it if you
want to, but the exact method depends on your modem. If it can be done by
command, then you can have MS-DOS Kermit send this command to your modem.
The command for this might be something like AT&C0.
You can also make Kermit ignore the CD signal if you want to -- in fact,
it does so by default. The command is SET CARRIER { ON, OFF }. This only
affects how Kermit reacts to the CD signal from the modem -- it does not
affect the signal itself.
- Frank
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From: Dirk Van den Eynde <sd2@pophost.eunet.be>
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A novice question:
Can I use Kermit to transfer files to and from Windows NT.4.0 and IBM
Mainframe MVS (there is a TCP/IP connection in place).
What do I need on NT and on MVS?
Can I schedule the start of the filetransfer by CA-Unicenter on the NT
machine (so that an incoming file, from a remote PC, in a dedicated
directory is automatically send to the mainframe)?
Dirk Van den Eynde
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Looking to see if something can be done with Kermit.
I have an application that uses kermit 3.14 for remote communications. I
would like to find out if it is possible, I assume through a Windows
version of Kermit, to have multiple remote users download at the same
time to the same PC. The ideal situation would be for users to call one
number and that number forward to other lines if busy, without the user
knowing, and then have a seperate copy of the download application that
calls Kermit for each phone line. Would like the application to be in
Visual Basic. I am assuming I could keep adding phone lines and copies
of the application as long as I add RAM?
Anyone out there doing something similiar? Any thoughts?
Thanks,
Steve
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Is it possible to... with kermit
Date: 18 Apr 1997 14:22:29 GMT
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In article <3353D8F8.2328@WolfeNet.Com>, Baus <Baus@WolfeNet.Com> wrote:
: Looking to see if something can be done with Kermit.
:
: I have an application that uses kermit 3.14 for remote communications. I
: would like to find out if it is possible, I assume through a Windows
: version of Kermit, to have multiple remote users download at the same
: time to the same PC.
:
In theory it is possible on TCP/IP connections, as many as the PC can handle
at once. On serial connections, one simultaneous session per port.
: The ideal situation would be for users to call one
: number and that number forward to other lines if busy, without the user
: knowing, and then have a seperate copy of the download application that
: calls Kermit for each phone line.
:
Hunt groups are a service of your telephone company, not of your PC or
Kermit. This is, of course, how modem pools work.
: Would like the application to be in Visual Basic. I am assuming I could
: keep adding phone lines and copies of the application as long as I add RAM?
:
The standard method of embedding Kermit protocol in another application is to
license the appropriate Kermit software from the Kermit Project and invoke it
with command-line arguments, usually indicating the name of a command (script)
file to be executed. Kermit itself handles all the communication functions,
and returns a code indicating success or failure. Of course it can also keep
various sorts of logs, etc.
You didn't say which version of Windows you have. If it is Windows 95 or NT,
then the Kermit program for that platform includes a "host mode" that allows
users to dial or Telnet in to your computer, log in with a password, and see a
simple menu that gives them file transfer and management access to a
restricted set of directories. You can read about it at:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95host.html
And the Kermit project in general at:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/
- Frank
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit - NT.4.0 <-> MVS
Date: 18 Apr 1997 14:29:46 GMT
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In article <5j7ac6$7vj@news1.Belgium.EU.net>,
Dirk Van den Eynde <sd2@pophost.eunet.be> wrote:
: Can I use Kermit to transfer files to and from Windows NT.4.0 and IBM
: Mainframe MVS (there is a TCP/IP connection in place).
:
Yes.
: What do I need on NT and on MVS?
:
On Windows NT you need Kermit 95:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html
It is available for Intel, Alpha, and PowerPC NT platforms. For MVS you
need IBM Mainframe Kermit:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ibm370.html
: Can I schedule the start of the filetransfer by CA-Unicenter on the NT
: machine (so that an incoming file, from a remote PC, in a dedicated
: directory is automatically send to the mainframe)?
:
If CA-Unicenter has batch and scheduling capabilities, yes. Kermit 95
is fully scriptable. Just about anything you can do by hand can be scripted
for unattended operation.
A word of caution, however: Kermit 95 is not (yet) a tn3270 client, so you
can only log in to MVS in linemode, assuming your TCP/IP connection is
direct to MVS. If, however, your TCP/IP connection is to a 3270 gateway
(such as, for example, a Cisco terminal server), then you can have 3270
sessions that way. You can also use Kermit 95 to make serial connections to
any kind of 3270 protocol converter, such as the IBM 7171, and conduct your
sessions that way.
- Frank
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storyr@ewir-wr.robins.af.mil wrote:
>
> Does anyone know of a good method of transfering files between a PC
> and an HP1000 E/F series computer running RTE-6/VM rev 2310 (pre-CI)?
> I have tried Advancelink and Reflection but they are slow and only work
> with ASCII files since it's just screen logging. I also looked at a
> version of KERMIT for RTE-6 from Columbia's KERMIT ftp site but it's for
> newer revs of RTE (with CI). I heard there may be a version of Xmodem
> that
> will work but can't find any info. Our HP's have DS1000 cards and 12972C
> 8 channel mux cards. Any info would be appreciated. Thanks in advance.
Reflection 7 had a file transfer utility that uploaded an application to
the 1000, and allowed files to be transferred between the 1000 and the
PC. This did actual file transfer, not just screen logging. I don't
have the documentation here any more, but we used it a lot.
If you are using only one port on the serial mux, you can increase the
baud rate for your file transfers.
Check to see if there is a Kermit for RTE-IVB, but I don't know why
it should make a difference whether it is pre-CI or not. CI is the
user shell. RTE-6 should still support all the same system calls.
Try compiling and loading Kermit. If it doesn't work, the changes
should be minor.
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: carrier detect signal ?
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In article <3355fe5a.2510622@NEWS.INDIGO.IE>, offline@INDIGO.IE (alan) writes:
> Is it possible to use ms kermit to issue a carrier detect signal
> somehow?
-----------
Carrier Detect is a signal FROM the modem TO the computer, never
the other way around (electrically the direction can't be reversed). What
is it you are really trying to accomplish?
Joe D.
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Date: 19 Apr 1997 20:56:06 GMT
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In article <5jb8m9$95e$1@thrush.sover.net>,
Ed Lincoln <edlincol@sover.net> wrote:
: Is this the best site for the kermit group?
: (For help)
:
Yes.
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From: edlincol@sover.net (Ed Lincoln)
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edlincol@sover.net (Ed Lincoln) wrote:
>Is this the best site for the kermit group?
>(For help)
Win48 emu.......????
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <5jb8pt$95e$2@thrush.sover.net>,
Ed Lincoln <edlincol@sover.net> wrote:
: edlincol@sover.net (Ed Lincoln) wrote:
:
: >Is this the best site for the kermit group?
: >(For help)
: Win48 emu.......????
:
Sorry, I don't understand the question. Could phrase it in a way that
we might be able to answer? What kind of computer and OS do you have,
and what do you want to do with it that you think Kermit can help you with?
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From: eravin@panix.com (Ed Ravin)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit - NT.4.0 <-> MVS
Date: 19 Apr 1997 20:40:07 -0400
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>From somewhere in cyberspace, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) said:
>... You can also use Kermit 95 to make serial connections to
>any kind of 3270 protocol converter, such as the IBM 7171, and conduct your
>sessions that way.
If your connection to the MVS host is through a serial link, you can also use
good old MS-DOS Kermit, which runs under NT in the DOS window (at least it does
so for me, NT 4.0 no service packs).
--
Ed Ravin |If I were not a little mad and generally silly
eravin@panix.com|I should give you my advice upon the subject, willy-nilly;
|I should show you in a moment how to grapple with the question
|And you'd really be astonished at the force of my suggestion.
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit - NT.4.0 <-> MVS
Date: 20 Apr 1997 16:15:34 GMT
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In article <5jbol7$dan@panix.com>, Ed Ravin <eravin@panix.com> wrote:
: From somewhere in cyberspace, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) said
: >... You can also use Kermit 95 to make serial connections to
: >any kind of 3270 protocol converter, such as the IBM 7171, and conduct your
: >sessions that way.
:
: If your connection to the MVS host is through a serial link, you can also
: use good old MS-DOS Kermit, which runs under NT in the DOS window (at least
: it does so for me, NT 4.0 no service packs).
:
It might or might not, but we don't support or recommend it because (a) it
was not written for Windows 95 or NT; (b) we have our hands full supporting
it on the platforms for which it *was* written; (c) since it is not a native
NT application, it interferes with NT's otherwise smooth multitasking; and
(d) it does not understand long filenames or other features of NT that are
not also in DOS.
In other words, it just plain might not work, or might not work the way you
expect, and if it doesn't there is nothing we can do about it.
Kermit 95 is for Windows NT, Windows 95, and OS/2:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html
MS-DOS Kermit is for DOS and Windows 3.11 and earlier:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html
- Frank
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From: hobar@huitzilo.tezcat.com (Jail Bait)
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Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 problems over TCPIP
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In article <01bc51a4$040dc930$3bcf60cf@patrice>, Patrice Levesque wrote:
>Hi,
>
>I will appreciate if somebody can help me concerning a problem with Kermit
>3.14.
>
>We are using MS-Kermit 3.14 over the network via TCP/IP with Windows
>Workgroup 3.11. It is working well but when we switch Kermit 3.14 (in a DOS
>Windows) in background, it will eventually disconnect from the server. The
>server is an Alpha 2100 with Open VMS 6.2.
>
It's probably VMS logging you out for being idle.
--
-Ken
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From: Jake Odell <jodell@rahul.net>
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Subject: problems with INPUT in 3.1.3/3.1.4
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Hi..
I have been working on a script to log on to a Wildcat bbs, and have
encountered some problems using the INPUT script command. In my script,
it seems that the INPUT that looks for the "What is your first name?"
always terminates in a second or less never waiting for the expected
string, even when specifying a timeout value of 15. I've made a
temporary hack with a loop to finally capture the 'first name' prompt.
The INPUT returns FAILURE which it seems that should only happen on a
timeout without string match.
Here is the script:
log session
set term type none
set terminal apc off
set count 10
clear input-buffer
output atdt18005551212>\x0D
wait 45 CD
if failure forward dialfail
:get1stname
input 15 {first name?}
if failure forward writebuf
output myfirstname\x0D
input 5 {last name?}
output \x0D
input 5 password?
output mypassword\x0D
[...file transfer stuff deleted for brevity...]
:dialfail
hangup
close session
quit
:writebuf
if count goto cont2
hangup
close session
:cont2
pause 1
goto get1stname
;**end of script**
Here is what I see in session.log:
[0m[H[2J<WC143701-92475472B533D4A1E3D6C>Wildcat! for Win95/NT (c) 1995,96 Mustang Software, Inc. All Rights Reserved.
Registration number: 01-9247. v5.00.437 (Mar 27 1997). Node: 2.
[6n
Connected at 19200 bps.
DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
You have connected to node 2 on XYZ Info Corp
This system is operating on Wildcat! v5
Please make use of your real name on this BBS
DDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD
What is your first name? myfirstname
What is your last name?
Welcome MYFIRSTNAME.
What is your password? *******
Main Menu:
**** end of session log clip *******
I'm calling with a 486dx2/66 connected 'SET SPEED 38400' via 8250 uart
to a V.34 modem. The connections are usually between 14400 and 24000. I
have not observed any loss of data either from screens or in inbound
zmodem file transfers (written to a network drive, btw). Could the
higher interrupt rate needed to service the 8250 be interfering with the
timing mechanism used by INPUT? (You're right, I'm to the point of
grasping for straws)
What trivial little detail am I missing?
--
Jake Odell ** jake@pantheon.net ** jodell@rahul.net
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From: "Patrice Levesque" <plevesque@videotron.ca>
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Subject: Kermit 3.14 problems over TCPIP
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Hi,
I will appreciate if somebody can help me concerning a problem with Kermit
3.14.
We are using MS-Kermit 3.14 over the network via TCP/IP with Windows
Workgroup 3.11. It is working well but when we switch Kermit 3.14 (in a DOS
Windows) in background, it will eventually disconnect from the server. The
server is an Alpha 2100 with Open VMS 6.2.
I did changes in the KERMIT.PIF file but I'm not able to correct the
problem. Any suggestions.
Thanks in advance.
Patrice Levesque
techsup@groupe-optimum.com
or plevesque@videotron.ca
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From: stew@oas.Stanford.EDU (Stewart Levin)
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Subject: Two bugs in C-Kermit 6.0?
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Summary: Modem variables ignored/changed
Keywords: kermit modem C-kermit
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Problem 1:
As per the Using C-Kermit 2nd edition, I changed my modem initialization
string so that the modem speaker would be turned off. The initialization
file excerpt is:
:CUSTOM ; Customization file
; Local Linux PC initialization - SAL 1/26/96
SET LINE /dev/modem
SET SPEED 57600
SET MODEM TYPE TELEPATH
SET MODEM COMMAND INIT-STRING \Freplace(\v(m_init),\{13},L1M0\{13})
SET MODEM SPEED-MATCHING OFF ; Use speed buffering.
SET MODEM ERROR-CORRECTION ON ; Enable error-correction and compression.
SET MODEM COMPRESSION ON
SET RECEIVE PACKET-LENGTH 2048
SET DIAL DIRECTORY /usr/local/share/lib/kermit/ckermit.kdd
SET DIAL AREA-CODE 972
SET DIAL CONNECT AUTO
SET DIAL COUNTRY-CODE 1
SET DIAL METHOD PULSE
SET TERMINAL AUTODOWNLOAD ON
However, when I then "access" iany one of my dial-up services, them
modem speaker remains on during dialing. Manually using the command
OUTPUT \v(m_init)
before I "access", turns it off.
Problem 2:
After "access"ing a dial-up service, the next "access" fails complaining
that I have asked for an "unsupported speed: unknown". Repeating the
"access" again works fine. Other info of possible relevance: I use
the SCRIPT command to negotiate the service login sequence. Excerpted
transcript:
[/etc/X11/fvwm] C-Kermit>access work
... Connect successful, check mail, etc. then logout ...
dalts001>exit
[/etc/X11/fvwm] C-Kermit>access work
A serial connection might still be active on /dev/modem.
OK to close? y
?No keywords match - unknown
unsupported speed: unknown
[/etc/X11/fvwm] C-Kermit>access meptec
Trying: xxxxxxxxxx... (Phone number omitted for security)
Device: /dev/modem, modem: gateway-telepath, speed: 57600
Dial timeout: 45 seconds
To cancel: type your interrupt character (normally Ctrl-C).
---------------------------------------------------------------
Any patches or workarounds you can suggest?
- Stew Levin
stew @ sep.stanford.edu
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 problems over TCPIP
Date: 21 Apr 1997 00:24:02 GMT
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In article <01bc51a4$040dc930$3bcf60cf@patrice>,
Patrice Levesque <plevesque@videotron.ca> wrote:
: We are using MS-Kermit 3.14 over the network via TCP/IP with Windows
: Workgroup 3.11. It is working well but when we switch Kermit 3.14 (in a DOS
: Windows) in background, it will eventually disconnect from the server. The
: server is an Alpha 2100 with Open VMS 6.2.
:
Short answer: Try version 3.15 Beta and see if it fixes the problem:
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/bin/msk315.zip
Unzip it in your 3.14 directory, run MSK315 rather than KERMIT. If it doesn't
make any difference, then send email with the specifics to our support address:
kermit-support@columbia.edu
- Frank
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These are the settings I use when using MS-Kermit 3.15 Beta.
SET PORT 2
SET SPE 576
SET FLO RTS/CTS
SET WIN 4
SET TERM BY 8
SET FI TY BIN
SET SEN PACK 9024
SET REC PACK 9024
SET BLO 2
SET TERM AUTO ON
SET TERM VT102
CONNECT
Now, with these settings, I usually use the Public Lynx Acces at Sailor
library in Maryland <sailor.lib.md.us -- login as "guest"> and perform my
downloading from there. I get the 9024 packet length, but after the
downloading, the percentage at the end is always in the teens.
It takes about 30 minutes to download a 1MB file or program. My own ISP
uses C-Kermit but the max packet size I can get from that is 2050.
I download everything from Sailor Library, but I was just wondering if
there's anything I can do to speed up the process on my end because
apparently, Sailor's C-Kermit is configured to obey what my MS-Kermit
tells it instead of using it's own default configuration.
Also, on my own ISP, I don't get the "bar graph" when downloading. I
always get this when downloading from Sailor. Why is that??
Thanks in advance.
--Jason Sizemore
jsizemor@monroe.lib.mi.us
Monroe, Michigan
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On 17 Apr 1997 23:18:12 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da
Cruz) wrote:
>In article <3355fe5a.2510622@NEWS.INDIGO.IE>, alan <offline@INDIGO.IE> wrote:
>: Is it possible to use ms kermit to issue a carrier detect signal
>: somehow?
>:
>Kermit runs on a computer. CD is a signal from the modem TO the computer.
>The computer can't issue it. You can force your MODEM to issue it if you
>want to, but the exact method depends on your modem. If it can be done by
>command, then you can have MS-DOS Kermit send this command to your modem.
>The command for this might be something like AT&C0.
>
>You can also make Kermit ignore the CD signal if you want to -- in fact,
>it does so by default. The command is SET CARRIER { ON, OFF }. This only
>affects how Kermit reacts to the CD signal from the modem -- it does not
>affect the signal itself.
>
>- Frank
I am trying to get the bbs using a door with a terminal emulation to
open a comm port and send out a carrier detect signal. The bbs is to
be attached to an intellisystem so basically someone dialls into the
bbs and I want it to act as a dumb terminal. To do this the
intellisystem needs a carrier detect signal. When a person selects
Intellisystem from the menu, the node shuts down and a terminal
emulator kicks in. I want to write a batch file that will run a
terminal emulation program . I also need to force a carrier detect
signal so the intellisystem will spew back the necessary information.
Do I have to get Pascal or something like this to write a program?
Cheers,
alan
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On 18 Apr 97 09:00:20 MDT, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote:
>In article <3355fe5a.2510622@NEWS.INDIGO.IE>, offline@INDIGO.IE (alan) writes:
>> Is it possible to use ms kermit to issue a carrier detect signal
>> somehow?
>-----------
> Carrier Detect is a signal FROM the modem TO the computer, never
>the other way around (electrically the direction can't be reversed). What
>is it you are really trying to accomplish?
> Joe D.
I am trying to get the bbs using a door with a terminal emulation to
open a comm port and send out a carrier detect signal. The bbs is to
be attached to an intellisystem so basically someone dialls into the
bbs and I want it to act as a dumb terminal. To do this the
intellisystem needs a carrier detect signal. When a person selects
Intellisystem from the menu, the node shuts down and a terminal
emulator kicks in. I want to write a batch file that will run a
terminal emulation program . I also need to force a carrier detect
signal so the intellisystem will spew back the necessary information.
Do I have to get Pascal or something like this to write a program?
Cheers,
alan
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Two bugs in C-Kermit 6.0?
Date: 21 Apr 1997 15:32:14 GMT
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In article <5jebj3$leu$1@nntp.Stanford.EDU>,
Stewart Levin <stew@oas.Stanford.EDU> wrote:
:
: Problem 1:
:
: As per the Using C-Kermit 2nd edition, I changed my modem initialization
: string so that the modem speaker would be turned off. The initialization
: file excerpt is:
:
: :CUSTOM ; Customization file
:
: ; Local Linux PC initialization - SAL 1/26/96
: SET LINE /dev/modem
: SET SPEED 57600
:
You should put these commands *after* the SET MODEM TYPE command.
: SET MODEM TYPE TELEPATH
: SET MODEM COMMAND INIT-STRING \Freplace(\v(m_init),\{13},L1M0\{13})
: ...
And so then "show modem" should show you:
Init-string: ATQ0X4&N0&Y1#CLS=0S13=0S15=0S19=0L1M0\{13}
Does it? And then if you "set dial display on" prior to dialing,
does it show this string being sent to the modem? Does the modem say OK?
: However, when I then "access" iany one of my dial-up services, them
: modem speaker remains on during dialing. Manually using the command
:
: OUTPUT \v(m_init)
:
: before I "access", turns it off.
:
First of all, I think the "L1" is superfluous -- there is no need to turn
down the speaker volume if you are also turning the speaker off. Modem
command processors are notoriously delicate. If you send them strings that
are too long, or you send them too fast, they are likely to become confused.
In the Telepath case, the init string is already rather long, so instead
of adding to it, try adding the speaker-off command to a shorter string,
such as the pulse-dialing string (which you are using):
set modem command pulse ATM0P\{13}
and see if that doesn't do the trick.
In the next release of C-Kermit, we will probably add separate modem
commands and fields to control the speaker.
: Problem 2:
:
: After "access"ing a dial-up service, the next "access" fails complaining
: that I have asked for an "unsupported speed: unknown". Repeating the
: "access" again works fine. Other info of possible relevance: I use
: the SCRIPT command to negotiate the service login sequence.
:
We've never had a report like this before, and can't reproduce it here.
Exactly what is your SCRIPT command (obviously you should X out the userid
and password, etc, before sending them in, but keep them the same length).
: Excerpted transcript:
:
: [/etc/X11/fvwm] C-Kermit>access work
:
: ... Connect successful, check mail, etc. then logout ...
:
: dalts001>exit
:
Now at this point does Kermit pop back to its prompt automatically, or
did you escape back manually?
What happens if you give a HANGUP command before your next "access work"
command?
: [/etc/X11/fvwm] C-Kermit>access work
: A serial connection might still be active on /dev/modem.
: OK to close? y
: ?No keywords match - unknown
: unsupported speed: unknown
: [/etc/X11/fvwm] C-Kermit>access meptec
: Trying: xxxxxxxxxx... (Phone number omitted for security)
: Device: /dev/modem, modem: gateway-telepath, speed: 57600
: Dial timeout: 45 seconds
: To cancel: type your interrupt character (normally Ctrl-C).
:
What would have happened here if you said "access work" rather than
"access meptec"?
: ---------------------------------------------------------------
: Any patches or workarounds you can suggest?
:
Please get back to us with further details at kermit-support@columbia.edu.
- Frank
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Faster downloading.
Date: 21 Apr 1997 16:01:13 GMT
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In article <Pine.SUN.3.91.970421003158.25277B-100000@monroe.lib.mi.us>,
Jason \"PsychoSy\" Sizemore <jsizemor@monroe.lib.mi.us> wrote:
:
: These are the settings I use when using MS-Kermit 3.15 Beta.
:
: SET PORT 2
: SET SPE 576
: SET FLO RTS/CTS
: SET WIN 4
: SET TERM BY 8
: SET FI TY BIN
: SET SEN PACK 9024
: SET REC PACK 9024
: SET BLO 2
: SET TERM AUTO ON
: SET TERM VT102
: CONNECT
:
: Now, with these settings, I usually use the Public Lynx Acces at Sailor
: library in Maryland <sailor.lib.md.us -- login as "guest"> and perform my
: downloading from there. I get the 9024 packet length, but after the
: downloading, the percentage at the end is always in the teens.
:
Sailor is evidently using an old version of C-Kermit, as revealed in a
packet log taken by MS-DOS Kermit:
Rpack: ^A0 Sz* @-#Y1~N! z(^M <-- Sailor sends
Spack: ^A7 Y~( @-#&1~^!5% ___F!0*^M <-- MS-DOS Kermit replies
This is the parameter exchange. A modern version of C-Kermit would have a
parameter string the same length as MS-DOS Kermit 3.15.
Sailor says "1 window slot", and this overrides your "SET WIN 4" command
because negotiations always settle on the lowest window size announced by
the two Kermits. However, the log also reveals that it is sending rather
long packets. So my guess is that they have C-Kermit 5A(188) or 5A(189),
since previous releases could not send packets longer than about 2K.
The current release of C-Kermit is 6.0:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html
You should ask the people at Sailor to install the current version and
configure it for a larger window size, maybe 8 or more, by adding "set
window 8" to their C-Kermit initialization file.
This might or might not improve matters. I noticed when logged in to Sailor
that packets arrived in jerks and spurts. So the real culprit might be the
load on the Sailor system itself, or its local area network, or the terminal
server you are dialing in to, if any.
: It takes about 30 minutes to download a 1MB file or program. My own ISP
: uses C-Kermit but the max packet size I can get from that is 2050.
:
This indicates that your ISP is running a pre-1992 version of C-Kermit. Ask
them to install the current version.
: Also, on my own ISP, I don't get the "bar graph" when downloading. I
: always get this when downloading from Sailor. Why is that??
:
This indicates that their version of C-Kermit goes back to the 1985-87 era.
Again, ask them to upgrade.
- Frank
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In article <335b4d44.4121326@NEWS.INDIGO.IE>, alan <offline@INDIGO.IE> wrote:
: On 17 Apr 1997 23:18:12 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da
: Cruz) wrote:
:
: >In article <3355fe5a.2510622@NEWS.INDIGO.IE>, alan <offline@INDIGO.IE> wrote:
: >: Is it possible to use ms kermit to issue a carrier detect signal
: >: somehow?
: >:
: >Kermit runs on a computer. CD is a signal from the modem TO the computer.
: >The computer can't issue it. You can force your MODEM to issue it if you
: >want to, but the exact method depends on your modem. If it can be done by
: >command, then you can have MS-DOS Kermit send this command to your modem.
: >The command for this might be something like AT&C0.
: >
: >You can also make Kermit ignore the CD signal if you want to -- in fact,
: >it does so by default. The command is SET CARRIER { ON, OFF }. This only
: >affects how Kermit reacts to the CD signal from the modem -- it does not
: >affect the signal itself.
:
: I am trying to get the bbs using a door with a terminal emulation to
: open a comm port and send out a carrier detect signal. The bbs is to
: be attached to an intellisystem so basically someone dialls into the
: bbs and I want it to act as a dumb terminal. To do this the
: intellisystem needs a carrier detect signal.
:
This is accomplished using a null modem cable, in which the DTR signal
is cross-wired with the CD signal. See pages 35-40 of your "Using
MS-DOS Kermit" manual.
- Frank
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> Mr. da Cruz,
>
> I thank you for your Kermit forum. I have benefited from
> being able to read the articles in the newsgroup.
>
Thanks.
> However, this morning when I started reading, there was an
> item entitled "*Tight Teen Snatch* teen1.jpg". Which gave
> an address for what amounted to child pornography.
>
This happens all the time in every unmoderated newsgroup.
Welcome to the global village.
Usually offensive posts like this are quickly followed by a "Spam
cancel" message originating from some public-spirited volunteer.
This cancellation message is supposed to either stop the message
from being propogated, or prevent your news server from showing it
to you in case it has already arrived. Such a Spam cancel quickly
followed the offending message, and the message did not even
arrive here, and I did not know about it until I got your email.
I think this is the case with most readers. So either you
happened to read the newsgroup during the short period between the
arrival of the original messages and the cancellation, or else
your news server does not understand or respond to cancellations.
Hoever, I confess that I do not have a very firm grasp on how the
cancellation process works. Evidently, however, it works better
some places than others.
> I realize you have little control over the articles which get
> posted to your news group, and I do not blame you for the
> fact that the article was there. However, I do not have
> the resources to find out who the offending carrier is, and
> lodge a complaint there.
>
I don't think it would do any good. Such messages are often
completely untraceable. In those cases where the poster was not
smart enough to disguise his identity (I use "his" advisedly), the
worst that happens is a cancellation of his account by his ISP, so
he moves to another ISP and continues his activities.
> Also, if our corporate IS group
> receives a complaint about the memo. They WILL block the
> Kermit newsgroup from our local server. They have done so
> before on other newsgroups because of provocative spams.
>
Then they might as well shut down their news service altogether,
because these messages are posted to thousands of newsgroups and
mailing lists simultaneously by special Spam generating programs.
You can't participate in netnews without leaving yourself open to
this and all other kinds of verbal assaults.
> Therefore, I would appreciate it if you would register my
> complaint with the carrier of whoever sent that message,
> and take whatever steps possible to prevent further
> occurances. Your newsgroup is a valuable tool which I would
> hate to lose.
>
And we would hate to lose you as a reader, but this problem is
bigger than both of us. Since the message did not even arrive
here, I have no way to trace it. In any case, I'm sure the
postmaster at the site listed as the origin of the message has
already received 100,000 angry letters because messages like this
are rarely targeted at a single newsgroup.
I'm sorry you and everybody else has to put up with this, but I'm
afraid it will only get worse.
- Frank
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Subject: Re: Kermit 3.14 problems over TCPIP
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In article <01bc51a4$040dc930$3bcf60cf@patrice>, "Patrice Levesque" <plevesque@videotron.ca> writes:
> Hi,
>
> I will appreciate if somebody can help me concerning a problem with Kermit
> 3.14.
>
> We are using MS-Kermit 3.14 over the network via TCP/IP with Windows
> Workgroup 3.11. It is working well but when we switch Kermit 3.14 (in a DOS
> Windows) in background, it will eventually disconnect from the server. The
> server is an Alpha 2100 with Open VMS 6.2.
>
> I did changes in the KERMIT.PIF file but I'm not able to correct the
> problem. Any suggestions.
>
------------
As you can imagine, Kermit must be given cpu cycles on a regular
basis if it is to maintain a TCP/IP connection. Giving those cycles is a
Windows configuration problem and I don't have a ready answer for how to
do that other than the obvious of checking the box saying it runs in the
background. A quick way of checking as you experiment with PIF settings
is to initiate a long file transfer, put MSK in the background, and then
bring it to the foreground to see how much work has transpired. In the past
this used to work fine when MSK was reduced to an icon, but one's Win 3.11
settings vary considerably from one installation to another. I haven't
checked this recently (no changes to MSK which should make a difference here).
Joe D.
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From: pepmnt@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (John Chandler)
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Subject: IBM mainframe Kermit 4.3.2 Beta
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Version 4.3.2 of IBM mainframe Kermit is available for public beta
testing in all variants: CICS, CMS, MUSIC, and TSO. The latest
addition is the completion of support for file time tags 2000+ in
the CMS variant (already complete in the other variants). The new
code is accompanied by an updated installation procedure that
automatically detects whether the underlying CMS system supports
4-digit years (CMS release 13 and higher) and, if so, includes the
new code. An executable Kermit module created under CMS 13 should
not be executed under earlier releases of CMS because it will make
system calls that are illegal under earlier releases.
The files needed for installing IBM mainframe Kermits consist of
two sets: generic files for all variants and files specific to the
variant in question. All are in the "B" Kermit distribution area.
The generic files are ik0*.* (eye kay zero), and the specific files
are ikc*.* (CMS), ikm*.* (MUSIC), ikt*.* (TSO), and ikx*.* (CICS).
The updates applied to all the variants are discussed in the
respective BWR files (ik0ker.bwr, ikcker.bwr, ikmker.bwr, etc.).
Instructions for installation, including the automated procedures,
are given in ikcker.ins, ikmker.ins, etc.
John Chandler
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From: Tom.Horsley@worldnet.att.net (Thomas A. Horsley)
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Over on the worldnet users group a discussion of ways to kill spam came up
with the idea of telnetting to the POP3 port and scanning the headers using
some telnet program with built-in scripting ability. All the messages that
mention cyberpromo.com, etc. could be deleted before reading mail normally.
This sounds like just the sort of insane thing someone might already have
used kermit to do, so I just thought I'd ask if anyone has such a script
already.
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: carrier detect signal ?
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In article <335b4d5b.4144566@NEWS.INDIGO.IE>, offline@INDIGO.IE (alan) writes:
> On 18 Apr 97 09:00:20 MDT, jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik) wrote:
>
>>In article <3355fe5a.2510622@NEWS.INDIGO.IE>, offline@INDIGO.IE (alan) writes:
>>> Is it possible to use ms kermit to issue a carrier detect signal
>>> somehow?
>>-----------
>> Carrier Detect is a signal FROM the modem TO the computer, never
>>the other way around (electrically the direction can't be reversed). What
>>is it you are really trying to accomplish?
>> Joe D.
> I am trying to get the bbs using a door with a terminal emulation to
> open a comm port and send out a carrier detect signal. The bbs is to
No, wrong thinking. The modem generates a CD signal and the
computer senses it on serial port lines (status bits to programs).
> be attached to an intellisystem so basically someone dialls into the
> bbs and I want it to act as a dumb terminal. To do this the
> intellisystem needs a carrier detect signal. When a person selects
> Intellisystem from the menu, the node shuts down and a terminal
> emulator kicks in. I want to write a batch file that will run a
> terminal emulation program . I also need to force a carrier detect
> signal so the intellisystem will spew back the necessary information.
> Do I have to get Pascal or something like this to write a program?
> Cheers,
> alan
I'm not sure what all this has to do with Kermit. Perhaps you
can enlighten us.
Joe D.
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From: "Shaun Watters" <sbw@enterprise.net>
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Subject: Can Kermit confirm files for transfer?
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Can anyone tell me if it's possible to have Kermit confirm files for
transfer, if using a wildcard get. (i.e. GET *.SCR - is it possible for
Kermit to prompt you for a yes or no as to wether to send this file or not.
Shaun
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Can Kermit confirm files for transfer?
Date: 22 Apr 1997 19:57:22 GMT
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In article <01bc4f50$4cf78880$96c348c2@sbw>,
Shaun Watters <sbw@enterprise.net> wrote:
: Can anyone tell me if it's possible to have Kermit confirm files for
: transfer, if using a wildcard get. (i.e. GET *.SCR - is it possible for
: Kermit to prompt you for a yes or no as to wether to send this file or not.
:
No. We considered this, but protocol transfers are time sensitive and should
not hang on waiting for human intervention to proceed, because if the human is
distracted, the other Kermit could easily time out waiting for a reply.
Instead we have:
. The SET FILE COLLISION mechanism, which works without human intervention,
but kicks in only if the incoming file has the same name as an existing
file.
. File-transfer interruption. If you are receiving a group of files, the
Kermit program lets you type a character (usually X or F) to cancel the
current file and go on to the next one.
. In C-Kermit 6.0 we have the SEND LIST. So if it's the one on the far end,
you can build a specific list of files to be sent a priori. The list can
contain any mixture of text and binary files, wilcards and simple
filenames, files from any mixture of directories, etc, and each file can
have its own "as-name".
One of these techniques should fit your requirements.
- Frank
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Does kermit build in the modem names and codes from source. I only
have the compiled SA(190) 4, oct, 94'?
I'm looking for a Multitech zdx2840xdb listing. I'm having problems talking
with this modem.
George Clute
geo@celestial.com
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From: cornellr@merlin.ecid.cig.mot.com (Robert Cornell)
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I have a script that connects to a remote host via another machine that acts as
a logging host. Each machine is running its own version of kermit.
i.e. local ----modem----- intermediate -----modem----- remote
Is it possible to turn logging off on the intermediate host prior to a file
transfer and reinstate it on completion of the transfer without dropping the
intermediate / remote connection.
--
Robert Cornell
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From: richman@TRUMPKIN.GCN.ou.edu (Mike Richman)
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I have installed kermit C-Kermit 5A (190) on a Sun Sparcstation running
Solaris. I use it to connect two modems. When I log off from a kermit
session using a modem, then log back on to attempt to disconnect the modem
iat the machine end (want to use the sequence "connect" followed by
"ATS0=0"), the software hangs and says....
Sorry can't open connection: /dev/cua/a: Device busy
This means I must reboot my machine.
Can anyone tell me of there is a patch for this or an easier way than
rebooting for killing that connection (it seemingly has no pid which I
can find).
Thanks.
Mike Richman
U. Oklahoma
mrichman@ou.edu
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <5jjtvo$e45$1@camco.celestial.com>,
George Clute <geo@camco.celestial.com> wrote:
: Does kermit build in the modem names and codes from source. I only
: have the compiled SA(190) 4, oct, 94'?
:
: I'm looking for a Multitech zdx2840xdb listing. I'm having problems talking
: with this modem.
:
The current version of C-Kermit is 6.0.192:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html
It has built-in support for Multitech modems, and it also allows for
user-defined modem types.
- Frank
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Logging Question.
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In article <1997Apr23.104606@merlin.ecid.cig.mot.com>,
Robert Cornell <cornellr@merlin.ecid.cig.mot.com> wrote:
: I have a script that connects to a remote host via another machine that acts
: as a logging host. Each machine is running its own version of kermit.
:
: i.e. local ----modem----- intermediate -----modem----- remote
:
: Is it possible to turn logging off on the intermediate host prior to a file
: transfer and reinstate it on completion of the transfer without dropping the
: intermediate / remote connection.
:
I don't understand what you mean by "logging". You mean the Kermit program
on the intermediate machine is in CONNECT mode, with a session log going?
If that's what you mean, then sure -- just escape back to its prompt and
tell it to "close session".
If the Kermit program on the intermediate computer is C-Kermit, you should
know that the current version of C-Kermit is 6.0. More info at:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html
One of the many new features of this release is a series of enhancements for
just this situation. They are described in detail in the new edition of
"Using C-Kermit", in the section "C-Kermit in the middle".
- Frank
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: kermit not releasing a modem connection
Date: 23 Apr 1997 14:12:59 GMT
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In article <5jkv2l$9qp$1@artemis.backbone.ou.edu>,
Mike Richman <richman@trumpkin.ou.edu> wrote:
: I have installed kermit C-Kermit 5A (190) on a Sun Sparcstation running
: Solaris. I use it to connect two modems. When I log off from a kermit
: session using a modem, then log back on to attempt to disconnect the modem
: iat the machine end (want to use the sequence "connect" followed by
: "ATS0=0"), the software hangs and says....
:
: Sorry can't open connection: /dev/cua/a: Device busy
:
: This means I must reboot my machine.
:
: Can anyone tell me of there is a patch for this or an easier way than
: rebooting for killing that connection (it seemingly has no pid which I
: can find).
:
Some Solaris-specific problems were fixed in C-Kermit 6.0.192. Please
install this new version and see if your trouble goes away:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html
If not, consult the ckuker.bwr file, the Solaris section in particular.
- Frank
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From: cmg@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Christine Gianone)
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Subject: Announcing MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Beta 20
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>From Joe Doupnik, another adjustment to MS-DOS Kermit's new DHCP client,
in light of recent changes to the DHCP protocol specification, and for
compatibility with Cisco 700-series routers. Beta 20 makes sure the
server identification field is not created spontaneously, the "time since
boot" the client secs field is forced to 0 in all packets, and protection
against endless retries on rejected IP lease renewals was added. Also,
incorrect RFC citations in the MSK315.DOC file were fixed.
Thanks as always to Joe D for keeping MS-DOS Kermit up with the times.
Beta 19 is in the usual place:
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/bin/msk315.zip
As with the previous Betas, download this one into your regular MS-DOS
Kermit 3.14 directory and unzip it. It makes MSK315.EXE and MSK315.DOC
files which do not conflict with your current installation. To test, just
run MSK315 instead of KERMIT. Send reports to kermit-support@columbia.edu.
/Christine
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Can anyone tell me if it's possible to have Kermit confirm files for
transfer, if using a wildcard get. (i.e. GET *.SCR - is it possible for
Kermit to prompt you for a yes or no as to wether to send this file or not.
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From: "Jesse Spencer" <spencer@mjsi.com>
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Subject: No carrier, after getting connected
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I am having problem with no carrier messages from Kermit. When dialing with
Kermit from a VAX or ALPHA running VMS 6.1 to the same I keep getting no
carrier. I have upgraded to version 6. but that has not helped. This only
occurs when dialing from a U.S. Robotics 28.8 or 33.6 to a 28.8/33.6. If
either the modem dialed into is a 14.4 or out of is a 14.4 there is
noproblem. The modems connect and if I set dial display on, I can see it
actually gets a username, but then it just sits there try to negotiate
something and returns a no carrier message to the screen with a modem
message: "No Connection." The serial port rate is 19200 and the settings on
the modems are identical. I have tried setting carrier off, on and auto,
setting the speed and leaving it auto, flow control every option, nothing
has helped. If I connect to the modem and just use dial commands, I can
connect 28.8 to 28.8 without a problem. Most of this has been using version
5 but as I have said I upgraded with no success. I would greatly appreciate
any input. I have also tried setting the modem hayes and usrobotics to no
avail.
Any ideas please send mail to:
Spencer@mjsi.com
Thanks,
Jesse Spencer
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: No carrier, after getting connected
Date: 23 Apr 1997 23:42:44 GMT
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In article <01bc5050$dac0b780$322bcdce@Jspencer>,
Jesse Spencer <spencer@mjsi.com> wrote:
: I am having problem with no carrier messages from Kermit.
:
NO CARRIER is a message from the modem and indicates that it failed
to negotiate a modulation technique with the other modem. It has
nothing at all to do with Kermit except insofar as Kermit has sent it
some setup strings.
: When dialing with
: Kermit from a VAX or ALPHA running VMS 6.1 to the same I keep getting no
: carrier. I have upgraded to version 6. but that has not helped. This only
: occurs when dialing from a U.S. Robotics 28.8 or 33.6 to a 28.8/33.6. If
: either the modem dialed into is a 14.4 or out of is a 14.4 there is
: noproblem.
:
Did you tell Kermit to "set modem type usr" prior to dialing? If not, then
Kermit is probably not sending the correct setup string.
: The modems connect and if I set dial display on, I can see it
: actually gets a username, but then it just sits there try to negotiate
: something and returns a no carrier message to the screen with a modem
: message: "No Connection."
:
So NO CARRIER comes shortly after a connection has been made? Again, it's
a problem between the two modems, having to do with their configuration,
or possibly having to do with whatever is connected to the remote modem.
: The serial port rate is 19200 and the settings on
: the modems are identical.
:
If you use V.32 (28.8 or 33.6) when your serial port speed is 19200 bps you
had better be sure you have *bidirectional* RTS/CTS flow control enabled in
both modems, and both serial ports that the modems are connected to, since
otherwise the modems will overrun the serial ports.
I suspect the remote modem is overrunning the serial port of the thing it is
connected to (a DECserver?), and so the DECserver is hanging up on it.
Hardware flow control is a major issue here. If DECservers are involved, I
recommend you read section I.4 of the CKVINS.DOC file that comes with VMS
C-Kermit 6.0.
- Frank
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From: "J. Hormuzdiar" <jimh@pantheon.yale.edu>
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Subject: TX-97 K6-200 Kermit problem
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I just purchased a new motherboard/processor (Asus TX-97 with a
K6-200) and it's divine! Well, almost perfect except for one little
problem.... All my old software works except for Kermit. It worked great
for years, all I did was change the motherboard, and now whenever I start
it, all I get is a one line message :
Divide overflow
Then it goes back to dos.
Kermit is the last thing I would have expected to have this
problem with. How in the world can changing a motherboard/processor cause
this to happen????
1). Could it be that the K6 isn't 100% compatible with the Intel
chips?
2). Could a faulty or misconfigured Asus TX-97 cause this?
3). Does Kermit just have problems running on newer processors?
I even re-installed Kermit, still no luck. And my modem is
working fine with the Windows terminal program....
-Jim
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: TX-97 K6-200 Kermit problem
Date: 24 Apr 1997 15:42:02 GMT
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In article <Pine.GSO.3.94.970423212043.506B-100000@mercury.cis.yale.edu>,
J. Hormuzdiar <jimh@pantheon.yale.edu> wrote:
:
: I just purchased a new motherboard/processor (Asus TX-97 with a
: K6-200) and it's divine! Well, almost perfect except for one little
: problem.... All my old software works except for Kermit. It worked great
: for years, all I did was change the motherboard, and now whenever I start
: it, all I get is a one line message :
:
: Divide overflow
:
: Then it goes back to dos.
:
: Kermit is the last thing I would have expected to have this
: problem with. How in the world can changing a motherboard/processor cause
: this to happen????
:
MS-DOS Kermit has a calibration loop to determine the processor speed.
If the processor is very fast, this can happen. The cure for this problem
is almost always to pick up a newer version of MS-DOS Kermit:
MS-DOS Kermit 3.14:
Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu
directory kermit/archives
binary mode
file msvibm.zip
If you had a previous version of MS-DOS Kermit, and you
want to install the new version over it, first make safe copies of
your MSCUSTOM.INI and DIALUPS.TXT files, as well as any other
file you might have modified.
Then unzip (with PKUNZIP or equivalent) using the "-d" switch to
preserve the directory structure. Then read the top-level READ.ME
file for further installation instructions.
MS-DOS Kermit 3.15:
Anonymous ftp to kermit.columbia.edu
directory kermit/test/bin
binary mode
file msk315.zip
Put the ZIP file in your Kermit directory and unzip. This gives you
MSK315.EXE plus some update notes, MSK315.DOC. To test, run MSK315 rather
than KERMIT. It uses all the regular MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 initialization
files, subdirectories, etc, with no conflicts.
- Frank
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From: cmosley@voicenet.com (Christopher Mosley)
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Subject: APC
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The apc escape mechanism ends by connecting you to the emulator
rather than the mskermit prompt. It would be nice you to be returned to the
mskermit prompt with the option of using the 'connect/c' at the end
of the apc string or manually, or to do whatever you wished at the
kermit prompt. The apc escape mechanism is a very useful as is
but would be even more useful if it had this option.
Thanks
Chris Mosley
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: APC
Date: 24 Apr 1997 17:26:25 GMT
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In article <5jo31g$j0$1@news1.voicenet.com>,
Christopher Mosley <cmosley@voicenet.com> wrote:
:
: The apc escape mechanism ends by connecting you to the emulator
: rather than the mskermit prompt. It would be nice you to be returned to the
: mskermit prompt with the option of using the 'connect/c' at the end
: of the apc string or manually, or to do whatever you wished at the
: kermit prompt. The apc escape mechanism is a very useful as is
: but would be even more useful if it had this option.
:
C-Kermit 6.0, Kermit 95, and MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 have a new command,
CLEAR APC. If you include this in the APC string, then you will
be left at the prompt after execution of the APC commands.
- Frank
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From: ma201rs@prism.gatech.edu (SHONKWILER R W)
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Subject: downloading across platforms
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We installed the new kermit on our sun (unix) system, version
6.0.192 for Solaris 2.x. Right away PC users complained of
having trouble downloading even ascii files.
ron shonkwiler
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <5jo5dr$odt@acmex.gatech.edu>,
SHONKWILER R W <ma201rs@prism.gatech.edu> wrote:
: We installed the new kermit on our sun (unix) system, version
: 6.0.192 for Solaris 2.x. Right away PC users complained of
: having trouble downloading even ascii files.
:
Kermit protocol is designed for cross-platform text-file transfer
by default -- you have to go out of your way to get anything else.
So what OS is on their PCs, and which communications software are
they using? And what exactly was the trouble they were having?
- Frank
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: TX-97 K6-200 Kermit problem
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In article <Pine.GSO.3.94.970423212043.506B-100000@mercury.cis.yale.edu>, "J. Hormuzdiar" <jimh@pantheon.yale.edu> writes:
> I just purchased a new motherboard/processor (Asus TX-97 with a
> K6-200) and it's divine! Well, almost perfect except for one little
> problem.... All my old software works except for Kermit. It worked great
> for years, all I did was change the motherboard, and now whenever I start
> it, all I get is a one line message :
>
> Divide overflow
>
> Then it goes back to dos.
>
> Kermit is the last thing I would have expected to have this
> problem with. How in the world can changing a motherboard/processor cause
> this to happen????
-----------
What has happened is you are using an old version of Kermit written
before the super-duper cpu's were available. Please upgrade your MS-DOS
Kermit to the current release v3.14 or better try beta 3.15.
Joe D.
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Subject: help with a remote use of kermit please
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I am running wildcat v 4.11. I have setupa door so that a batch file
will run (I am trying to get it to run Kermit). The bbs is setup to
another system, the idea being that once a user dials in and selects
an item from the main menu, a batch file runs Kermit, allowing a
terminal session which echos back to the user . Kermit however has a
problem as it can only talk to comms 1-4. We need a dos terminal
emulation program that will support more tham comm ports 1 to 4,
preferably being able to communicate through a fossil driver fr the
digiboards. The bbs is therefore acting like a dumb termainal. If I am
directly using the bbs i can use kermit to create a terminal session,
but I dial in from another computer I can see Kermit running on the
bbs, so the batch file runs, but it stays local to the bbs. It does
not get echoed to my remote computer. The bbs is setup using
digiboards and the other system that is attached to the bbs is using
an Arnet smartport. This is basically a card with an external
attachment allowing 8 comm ports to be set up.
Any help would be greatly appreciated.
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: help with a remote use of kermit please
Date: 25 Apr 1997 14:36:12 GMT
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In article <33606ff6.1069011@NEWS.INDIGO.IE>, alan <offline@INDIGO.IE> wrote:
: I am running wildcat v 4.11. I have setupa door so that a batch file
: will run (I am trying to get it to run Kermit).
:
Bad news and good news...
: The bbs is setup to
: another system, the idea being that once a user dials in and selects
: an item from the main menu, a batch file runs Kermit, allowing a
: terminal session which echos back to the user.
:
I think this one must be a "no". MS-DOS Kermit is not designed to act as
a relay between two other computers. It reads from the real keyboard and
writes to the real screen. Although it *can* be run under "ctty com1"
(or similar), you can't enter CONNECT mode when using it in this fashion.
: Kermit however has a
: problem as it can only talk to comms 1-4. We need a dos terminal
: emulation program that will support more tham comm ports 1 to 4,
: preferably being able to communicate through a fossil driver fr the
: digiboards.
:
This one is a "yes". The current version of MS-DOS Kermit is 3.14, and
it can indeed use Fossil drivers, via "set port fossil <number>".
: The bbs is therefore acting like a dumb termainal. If I am
: directly using the bbs i can use kermit to create a terminal session,
: but I dial in from another computer I can see Kermit running on the
: bbs, so the batch file runs, but it stays local to the bbs. It does
: not get echoed to my remote computer. The bbs is setup using
: digiboards and the other system that is attached to the bbs is using
: an Arnet smartport. This is basically a card with an external
: attachment allowing 8 comm ports to be set up.
:
I don't think MS-DOS Kermit can help you in this case. I would, however,
recommend that you install "MS-DOS Kermit Lite" as the Kermit protocol
on your BBS, since it works better and faster than the built-in one.
You can read all about this at:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/newsn6.html#bbs
- Frank
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Subject: non standard com ports help
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Is there a version of ms kermit that will allow the use of non
standars com ports, ie higher than com 4 on a digiboard?
thanks
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: non standard com ports help
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In article <3360caff.4750156@NEWS.INDIGO.IE>, alan <offline@INDIGO.IE> wrote:
: Is there a version of ms kermit that will allow the use of non
: standars com ports, ie higher than com 4 on a digiboard?
:
In the current version, which is 3.14, yes. See section 2 of the KERMIT.UPD
on the MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 disk.
- Frank
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: File transfer confirmation
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In article <01bc5024$31423ac0$35c348c2@sbw>, "Shaun Watters" <sbw@enterprise.net> writes:
> Can anyone tell me if it's possible to have Kermit confirm files for
> transfer, if using a wildcard get. (i.e. GET *.SCR - is it possible for
> Kermit to prompt you for a yes or no as to wether to send this file or not.
----------
No. Let me explain because the Kermit protocol is unlike FTP.
You can say SET FILE COLLISION ? to see what options are available
when receiving a new file with the same name as an existing one. Option
DISCARD rejects the new version, OVERWRITE accepts the new, and so on.
TCP sends a complete list of files to the client, which is quite
a memory problem, and then the client requests each file in turn from that
list. In the middle of that operation the client can prompt you yes or no.
The Kermit protocol avoids such lists and the file sender decides which file
to send, one after the other, and the name of each is sent with each file.
Thus the file sender is the only agent knowing which file will be sent next.
Joe D.
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This brings up an old question that still has some life to it:
I used to have (1985-95) an AMPRO 2210 80186 machine that had no
keyboard or monitor thta I plugged into a 1980 HP2621A
terminal. Nothing on that machine was bitmapped - it only used
BIOS. While I could do "echo atdt3334444 > com1:", the then-current PC
version of Kermit would not work, so I had to buy a special version
put out by NightOwl (Wisconsin) called MeX (which was a good product BTW).
Supposing I were to restart that old machine and wanted to have the
same software I have on my new one -
is there anyway I could use the current MSKermit on that old
non-bit-mapped system?
--
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: help with a remote use of kermit please
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In article <33606ff6.1069011@NEWS.INDIGO.IE>, offline@INDIGO.IE (alan) writes:
> I am running wildcat v 4.11. I have setupa door so that a batch file
> will run (I am trying to get it to run Kermit). The bbs is setup to
> another system, the idea being that once a user dials in and selects
> an item from the main menu, a batch file runs Kermit, allowing a
> terminal session which echos back to the user . Kermit however has a
> problem as it can only talk to comms 1-4. We need a dos terminal
> emulation program that will support more tham comm ports 1 to 4,
> preferably being able to communicate through a fossil driver fr the
> digiboards. The bbs is therefore acting like a dumb termainal. If I am
> directly using the bbs i can use kermit to create a terminal session,
> but I dial in from another computer I can see Kermit running on the
> bbs, so the batch file runs, but it stays local to the bbs. It does
> not get echoed to my remote computer. The bbs is setup using
> digiboards and the other system that is attached to the bbs is using
> an Arnet smartport. This is basically a card with an external
> attachment allowing 8 comm ports to be set up.
>
> Any help would be greatly appreciated.
---------
Try MS-DOS Kermit v3.15 beta. Then say SET PORT FOSSIL <1..99>.
The digits at the end select the port, from 1 to 99.
Joe D.
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: non standard com ports help
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In article <5jsr7g$hf@kensie.dorsai.org>, vjp2@dorsai.org @smtp.dorsai.org (Vasos Panagiotopoulos +1-917-287-8087 writes> This brings up an old question that still has some life to it:
>
> I used to have (1985-95) an AMPRO 2210 80186 machine that had no
> keyboard or monitor thta I plugged into a 1980 HP2621A
> terminal. Nothing on that machine was bitmapped - it only used
> BIOS. While I could do "echo atdt3334444 > com1:", the then-current PC
> version of Kermit would not work, so I had to buy a special version
> put out by NightOwl (Wisconsin) called MeX (which was a good product BTW).
>
> Supposing I were to restart that old machine and wanted to have the
> same software I have on my new one -
> is there anyway I could use the current MSKermit on that old
> non-bit-mapped system?
----------
It's not worth it, give it up. While the current MS-DOS Kermit
supports BIOS1..BIOS4 as communication pathways they are totally unsuited
for work above 300 bps or so. Motherboards are very cheap these days, so
I suggest treating the box to a new one, and the peripherials to go with
it.
Joe D.
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Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: In article <5jo31g$j0$1@news1.voicenet.com>,
: Christopher Mosley <cmosley@voicenet.com> wrote:
: :
: : The apc escape mechanism ends by connecting you to the emulator
: : rather than the mskermit prompt. It would be nice you to be returned to the
: : mskermit prompt with the option of using the 'connect/c' at the end
: : of the apc string or manually, or to do whatever you wished at the
: : kermit prompt. The apc escape mechanism is a very useful as is
: : but would be even more useful if it had this option.
: :
: C-Kermit 6.0, Kermit 95, and MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 have a new command,
: CLEAR APC. If you include this in the APC string, then you will
: be left at the prompt after execution of the APC commands.
: - Frank
Thanks,
I was interested in *automatically* changing to non-standard
video-modes. I did this by running a dos bat file from within
the apc string that exits kermit with the use of a keyboard buffer
stuffer, changes video-mode then runs and connects mskermit again.
Video mode switching might not be of interest to anyone. But is
interesting that rather than using a new dos shell for apc operations
on the local machine you can exit and rerun kermit with the advantage
that you have full pc memory.
I find the APC mechanism very useful i.e.: you can use it with
tin and lynx running on a remote unix host, to automatically view
graphics using a dos viewer.
cmosley
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Subject: Need help capturing text output
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Hello everyone.
I am attempting to get output from a UV meter using Kermit. This UV
Meter is connected via serial cable to a modem, and I have a Linux
box runing Kermit attached to a modem which dials into the UV meter's
modem.
I can successfully execute commands on the UV meter in 'CONNECT' mode,
and my script is almost working - but I don't know how to capture the
output to a file.
It seems that the 'log xxx' functions weren't designed for this
purpose - although I could be wrong :-)
I'm a Kermit newbie, so any help would be most appreciated.
Chris Foote
South Australian Linux Users Group
chris@salug.org.au
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From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh)
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Subject: Re: Need help capturing text output
Date: 30 Apr 1997 01:34:45 +0930
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Chris Foote (chris@salug.org.au) wrote:
: Hello everyone.
: I am attempting to get output from a UV meter using Kermit. This UV
: Meter is connected via serial cable to a modem, and I have a Linux
: box runing Kermit attached to a modem which dials into the UV meter's
: modem.
: I can successfully execute commands on the UV meter in 'CONNECT' mode,
: and my script is almost working - but I don't know how to capture the
: output to a file.
: It seems that the 'log xxx' functions weren't designed for this
: purpose - although I could be wrong :-)
: I'm a Kermit newbie, so any help would be most appreciated.
I do some logging by the following method:
#!/bin/sh
ps -ef|grep kermit|grep chat
if [ $? -ne 0 ]
then
/home/arthur/chatlog.sh|/opt/bin/kermit -y /home/arthur/chatlog.ini >> /home/arthur/Mail/chat.log
fi
chatlog.sh looks like:
#!/bin/sh
while true
do
sleep 120
echo \*\*\* Chat Logging is in effect \*\*\* \\n\\r
sleep 1
echo /data\\n\\r
sleep 419
done
You could instead have a shell script that just sleeps for the period you
want logging done, and when the shell script terminates, so does kermit.
chatlog.ini does the following:
NOPUSH
;LOG SESSION /home/arthur/Mail/chat.log APPEND
SET CARRIER ON 1
SET COMMAND BYTESIZE 8
SET EXIT WARNING OFF
SET QUIET ON
SET TERMINAL AUTODOWNLOAD OFF
SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8
SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET TRANSPARENT
SET TERMINAL ESCAPE DISABLED
SET TERMINAL APC OFF
SET PARITY NONE
set line /dev/tty6
if fail goto endker
SET SPEED 19200
SET FLOW RTS/CTS
pause 1
output \13
pause 5
output Chat Log\13
pause 5
output cglog\13
pause 5
output \32
pause 5
output \32
pause 5
output \32
pause 5
output \32
pause 5
output C
pause 5
output \32
pause 5
output O
pause 5
output \32
pause 5
CONNECT
:endker
echo disconnecting...
quit
: Chris Foote
: South Australian Linux Users Group
: chris@salug.org.au
--
Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-8370-2365, fax +61-8-8223-5082
arthur@dircsa.org.au
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From: "poetryman" <hotlynx@whidbey.net>
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Subject: problems using ckermit
Date: 30 Apr 1997 15:12:59 GMT
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I use ckermit to do file transfers between a creaky old VAX and several
VAXes and ALPHAs around North America. I've always been able to tweak the
configurations of each to where my file transfers were successful,
However, there is one site to which attemped transfers simply won't work
when using ckermit. I can acheive the same transfer between the same 2
computers using an older version of kermit and using WRQ's Reflection
protocol.
My employer has directed me to make it work at this one site, rather than
to use the alternate file transfer methods that do work.
I have attempted to modify the following parameters:
timeout (this gets me an error-out quicker)
packet length (from 64 to 512)
The following match on the 2 computers:
speed (9600)
mode (local)
modem (hayes)
terminal bits (7)
parity (none)
duplex (full)
flow (xon/xoff)
handshake (none)
carrier (auto)
names (converted)
type (labeled)
Actually, everything on the 2 computers matches; I only listed the ones
that seem significant.
Any ideas on how to make this succeed?
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Need help capturing text output
Date: 30 Apr 1997 16:26:28 GMT
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In article <3365C5DB.373053CB@salug.org.au>,
Chris Foote <chris@salug.org.au> wrote:
: I am attempting to get output from a UV meter using Kermit. This UV
: Meter is connected via serial cable to a modem, and I have a Linux
: box runing Kermit attached to a modem which dials into the UV meter's
: modem.
:
: I can successfully execute commands on the UV meter in 'CONNECT' mode,
: and my script is almost working - but I don't know how to capture the
: output to a file.
:
By "output", you mean the dialog between Kermit and the UV meter?
: It seems that the 'log xxx' functions weren't designed for this
: purpose - although I could be wrong :-)
:
Sure they were. LOG SESSION does the trick.
If you mean something else, there is also a facility (described in the
manual) for creating and writing to arbitrary files: OPEN WRITE, WRITE,
CLOSE WRITE. You can also use the WRITE command to write arbitrary text
to any open log.
- Frank
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: problems using ckermit
Date: 30 Apr 1997 16:31:56 GMT
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In article <01bc5579$07bc0e60$335ad5ce@carll.tfmg.com>,
poetryman <poetryman@writeme.com> wrote:
: I use ckermit to do file transfers between a creaky old VAX and several
: VAXes and ALPHAs around North America. I've always been able to tweak the
: configurations of each to where my file transfers were successful,
:
: However, there is one site to which attemped transfers simply won't work
: when using ckermit. I can acheive the same transfer between the same 2
: computers using an older version of kermit and using WRQ's Reflection
: protocol.
:
: My employer has directed me to make it work at this one site, rather than
: to use the alternate file transfer methods that do work.
:
: I have attempted to modify the following parameters:
: timeout (this gets me an error-out quicker)
: packet length (from 64 to 512)
:
: The following match on the 2 computers:
: speed (9600)
: mode (local)
: modem (hayes)
: terminal bits (7)
: parity (none)
: duplex (full)
: flow (xon/xoff)
: handshake (none)
: carrier (auto)
: names (converted)
: type (labeled)
:
: Actually, everything on the 2 computers matches; I only listed the ones
: that seem significant.
:
: Any ideas on how to make this succeed?
:
Yes. Please send your question by email to kermit-support@columbia.edu,
and specify exactly what you mean by "transfers simply won't work". What
are the symptoms?
What version of VMS? What version of C-Kermit? Are you transferring from
the VAX or to the VAX? What software are you using on the PC? What kind
of file is it? etc etc.
Tell C-Kermit to "log packets" and include a session log.
- Frank
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From: "David H. Herget" <dherget@seanet.com>
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Subject: wy60 - screen graphics - help
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Kermit 95 seems to work as a terminal emulator and all the function keys
work . unlike other emulators.
BUT... the screen is filled with ------ instead of solid horizontal
lines and =
=
= instead of solid vertical lines.
How can we make the screen display ... the lines correctly.???
Thank you,
David H. Herget
dherget@seanet.com
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From: cutt@netcom.com (Paul S. Cutt)
Subject: HELP Please ! ckermit & web
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I am trying to use kermit and have it called from a web page. The
problem seems to be getting the kermit prompt. I can call kermit
but then I get an divide by zero error from kermit. I think
the prompts from kermit are causing it ?
How can I call kermit from a web page ?
I am using
Windows NT
k95 -j 122.23.111.23:1000 -s test.file
as my command in my cgi-bin directory.
Thanks,
paul
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From: BBN Corporation <chamwey@bbn.com>
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Subject: consulting position
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Can I post a position for a routing protocols consultant to work on a
high speed internet router at this site??
Corinne Hamwey
BBN Corporation
10 Moulton Street
Cambridge, MA
email chamwey@bbn.com
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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In article <3368C8BF.193D@bbn.com>, BBN Corporation <chamwey@bbn.com> writes:
> Can I post a position for a routing protocols consultant to work on a
> high speed internet router at this site??
>
> Corinne Hamwey
> BBN Corporation
> 10 Moulton Street
> Cambridge, MA
> email chamwey@bbn.com
---------
No. This is a Kermit forum, not jobs.wanted, nor comp.protocols.tcpip.
Sorry Corinne, please look elsewhere.
Joe D.
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From: "Ralph M. Almeria" <Ralph.M.Almeria@usace.army.mil>
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Subject: Having trouble setting the line option.
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My problem is that I set the modem to attmodem and then the line to
/dev/tty and then I try to set the baud or dial and it returns saying
that I need to set the line! What am I doing wrong?
I've used tip to dial out and that works fine, but I need a solution
that can be used in a batch mode, and apparently tip is not amenable to
batch.
Any help is appreciated.
Thanks,
Ralph.
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In article <3369FB7C.7BD@usace.army.mil>,
Ralph M. Almeria <Ralph.M.Almeria@usace.army.mil> wrote:
: My problem is that I set the modem to attmodem and then the line to
: /dev/tty and then I try to set the baud or dial and it returns saying
: that I need to set the line! What am I doing wrong?
:
"/dev/tty" is your job's own controlling terminal. You need to specify the
device name of a tty device separate from your job's controlling terminal.
That is, you can't dial out on the same device that you are coming in from.
: I've used tip to dial out and that works fine, but I need a solution
: that can be used in a batch mode, and apparently tip is not amenable to
: batch.
:
C-Kermit is designed to be fully script-driven so it can run completely
unattended, e.g. from a cron job. The current version is 6.0:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html
To make effective use of it -- especially if you want to write "batch jobs",
you'll need the manual:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html
- Frank
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"Ralph M. Almeria" <Ralph.M.Almeria@usace.army.mil> writes:
>My problem is that I set the modem to attmodem and then the line to
>/dev/tty and then I try to set the baud or dial and it returns saying
>that I need to set the line! What am I doing wrong?
>
Not saying what your operating environment is, nor what version of
Kermit you're running.
Oh! What are you doing wrong when you try to RUN Kermit?
It sounds as if you're trying to run C-Kermit under some version of Unix.
The versions I've used require you to specify a specific tty number, not
/dev/tty.
>From HP-UX 9.x
ls -l /dev/tty* | head
crw-rw-rw- 1 bin other 31 0x000000 May 2 11:06 /dev/tty
crw--w--w- 1 root other 58 0x000000 Apr 29 07:12 /dev/tty0p0
crw--w--w- 1 root other 58 0x000001 Apr 29 07:12 /dev/tty0p1
>From AIX 3.2.5
crw-rw-rw- 1 root system 1, 0 May 1 20:44 /dev/tty
crw------- 1 root system 16, 0 May 2 11:18 /dev/tty0
crw------- 1 root system 16, 1 May 16 1996 /dev/tty1
lrwxrwxrwx 1 root system 10 Sep 7 1993 /dev/ttyp0 -> /dev/pts/0
On the latter system, I can say either
set line /dev/tty0 (or just set line 0)
or set line /dev/tty1,
to select a real tty device. The rest are dummys.
--
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I use Kermit (3.00) and Kermit for Windows (Win 100) to
attach to an HP-1000. I must set my HP-1000 port to
perform XON/XOFF flow control, rather than its standard
ENQ/ACK. Is there a way to set kermit up to perform
ENQ/ACK rather than XON/XOFF flow control? I know in
Kermit 3.13 there is an "answerback" parameter which is
supposed to do ENQ/ACK. Does it work? Is there any
way to do it in v 3.00? Can the key translations be
twisted to perform this function?
Buz
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <336636BB.1367@edx.com>, Roy Buzdor <LNUSLAD.DZVG41@edx.com> wrote:
: I use Kermit (3.00) and Kermit for Windows (Win 100) to
: attach to an HP-1000.
:
What's Win 100?
: I must set my HP-1000 port to
: perform XON/XOFF flow control, rather than its standard
: ENQ/ACK.
:
Correct.
: Is there a way to set kermit up to perform
: ENQ/ACK rather than XON/XOFF flow control?
:
No.
: I know in
: Kermit 3.13 there is an "answerback" parameter which is
: supposed to do ENQ/ACK.
:
That's not flow control -- that's the answerback feature,
similar to what you would get on a Model 33 Teletype by
breaking selected teeth off the little plastic wheel -- kind
of a station ID.
: Does it work? Is there any
: way to do it in v 3.00? Can the key translations be
: twisted to perform this function?
:
No, sorry, you'll need to stick with Xon/Xoff, which is
pretty much the universally accepted protocol for in-band
flow control; Enq/Ack is peculiar to HP. If Xon/Xoff works
why would you want to change it?
- Frank
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Subject: NULs and [MS-DOS, sigh] Kermit
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We're using MS-DOS Kermit, version 3.15 Beta 18, to observe the
behaviour of various embedded systems. In a couple of cases recently,
we've discovered glitches in the embedded systems due to the NUL
character being sent or received by an ASCII-based protocol driver.
We've noticed that Kermit's VT320 emulation does not display
NULs by default, nor are these characters logged to file. The lack of
a display does not worry us; the lack of the character in the log file
has helped trick us into missing the problems for quite a while.
If session debugging is enabled (set debug session), then NULs
are displayed and are logged. However, we'd prefer to use a standard
VT-style terminal emulation without seeing debugging information.
Is there an easy way to modify Kermit's behaviour so that NULs are
always logged to file?
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In article <336ac4b2.0@duster.adelaide.on.net>, behoffski@grouse.com.au (behoffski) writes:
> We're using MS-DOS Kermit, version 3.15 Beta 18, to observe the
> behaviour of various embedded systems. In a couple of cases recently,
> we've discovered glitches in the embedded systems due to the NUL
> character being sent or received by an ASCII-based protocol driver.
>
> We've noticed that Kermit's VT320 emulation does not display
> NULs by default, nor are these characters logged to file.
That is correct. NUL is a control code. The first 32 codes in
the ASCII character set are control codes and are not printable. Most
control codes result in commands to the terminal (emulator) to perform
some action rather than just display a byte. For DEC VT terminals the
action of NUL is to consume time as a line-filler byte, padding as it is
known. Putting padding into log files is not a good idea and MSK avoids
doing that. For Data General and Wyse 50 terminals NUL is a formal data
byte in control sequences and not padding, hence it is logged as well as
acted upon for those emulations.
> The lack of
> a display does not worry us; the lack of the character in the log file
> has helped trick us into missing the problems for quite a while.
>
> If session debugging is enabled (set debug session), then NULs
> are displayed and are logged. However, we'd prefer to use a standard
> VT-style terminal emulation without seeing debugging information.
> Is there an easy way to modify Kermit's behaviour so that NULs are
> always logged to file?
The DEBUG facility bypasses the machinery responsible for emulating
various terminal types. It is a raw simple "show me everything" diagnostic,
and as such is aligned with what your testing is intended to accomplish.
Given the decreasing amounts of equipment which generate as well as
need NUL padding bytes I'll change the next beta of MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 to
log the NUL byte for DEC VT terminal emulation and hope there are no
objections. Expect to see the change in beta 21 in a few days.
Joe D.
> thanks,
>
> behoffski
> Brenton Hoff (behoffski) | Software Engineer, Grouse Software Pty Ltd
> behoffski@grouse.com.au | My opinions are mine (and they're weird).
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From: stefand@ibm.net (Stefan A. Deutscher)
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Subject: [Q] Null modem, Kermit/2, Thinkpad, desktop ?
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hi,
I am just setting up a Thinkpad 365xd with OS/2 Warp 4 and had hoped to
use the Kermit/2 XSend command to just dump all the stuff I need from
my desktop machine onto the laptop using a null modem cable. Somehow it
doesn't work, the two machines don't see each other, it seems.
I have disabled the IR port on the TP, set the serial port to com2.
On the desktop I have the serial port on com1. The null modem cable is
9 pin, with the following pin layout:
female male
1 4
2 3
3 2
4 6 and 1
5 5
6 4
7 8
8 7
9 n/c
yet nothing goes. I tried, following the Kermit/2 book, to set
set carrier-watch off
set line com2 (or com1 on the desktop)
set speed 115200
and then set the receiving laptop kermit into 'server' mode, where it
sits waiting. However, no matter what I do from the sending kermit, it
doesn't seem to communicate.
I also used the mode command to set the com port parameters to
baud = 115200 parity = NONE
databits = 7 stopbits = 1
TO = OFF XON = OFF
IDSR = OFF ODSR = OFF
OCTS = OFF DTR = OFF
RTS = OFF BUFFER = ON
on both machines (I tried 8 data bits as well), nothing. I am running
out of ideas; does anybody have some? I am surely not the first one to
try that, so I'd appreciate any help!
Thanks! Stefan
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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: [Q] Null modem, Kermit/2, Thinkpad, desktop ?
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In article <336cf6dc.0@news1.ibm.net>, Stefan A. Deutscher <sad@utk.edu> wrote:
:
: hi,
:
: I am just setting up a Thinkpad 365xd with OS/2 Warp 4 and had hoped to
: use the Kermit/2 XSend command to just dump all the stuff I need from
: my desktop machine onto the laptop using a null modem cable. Somehow it
: doesn't work, the two machines don't see each other, it seems.
This will work.
: I have disabled the IR port on the TP, set the serial port to com2.
: On the desktop I have the serial port on com1. The null modem cable is
: 9 pin, with the following pin layout:
:
: female male
:
: 1 4
: 2 3
: 3 2
: 4 6 and 1
: 5 5
: 6 4
: 7 8
: 8 7
: 9 n/c
:
: yet nothing goes. I tried, following the Kermit/2 book, to set
:
: set carrier-watch off
: set line com2 (or com1 on the desktop)
: set speed 115200
What about flow control?
SET FLOW RTS on both machines.
: and then set the receiving laptop kermit into 'server' mode, where it
: sits waiting. However, no matter what I do from the sending kermit, it
: doesn't seem to communicate.
Start with something simple. When you enter CONNECT mode on both
machines and type data, are you able to see anything on the other
machine?
: I also used the mode command to set the com port parameters to
:
: baud = 115200 parity = NONE
: databits = 7 stopbits = 1
: TO = OFF XON = OFF
: IDSR = OFF ODSR = OFF
: OCTS = OFF DTR = OFF
: RTS = OFF BUFFER = ON
:
: on both machines (I tried 8 data bits as well), nothing. I am running
: out of ideas; does anybody have some? I am surely not the first one to
: try that, so I'd appreciate any help!
the mode command only sets up the initial values for the port. But
they will be overridden by commands issued from within Kermit.
Are you sure that both ports are working?
Are you able to use them to communicate with a modem?
Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
The Kermit Project * Columbia University
612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html * kermit-support@columbia.edu
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In article <336cf6dc.0@news1.ibm.net> sad@utk.edu "Stefan A. Deutscher" writes:
> On the desktop I have the serial port on com1. The null modem cable is
> 9 pin, with the following pin layout:
>
> female male
I have no idea what you're doing but you've definitely left the
tracks somewhere. A serial null modem cable must have two sockets
(female connectors) to marry the plugs which are on each of the two
computers. BTW a parallel (null printer?) cable will have two plugs.
In DOS type `help interlnk' and in Notes you will find the wiring
recipe for both types of cable.
Regards,
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Anthony R. Gold (tgold@microvst.demon.co.uk) wrote:
: In article <336cf6dc.0@news1.ibm.net> sad@utk.edu "Stefan A. Deutscher" writes:
: > On the desktop I have the serial port on com1. The null modem cable is
: > 9 pin, with the following pin layout:
: >
: > female male
: I have no idea what you're doing but you've definitely left the
: tracks somewhere. A serial null modem cable must have two sockets
: (female connectors) to marry the plugs which are on each of the two
: computers. BTW a parallel (null printer?) cable will have two plugs.
Well, I have a serial cable with two female connectors and a nullmodem
adapter with a male and a femal to fit the cable and still have the resulting
construct be female <----> female on both ends.
Stefan
: In DOS type `help interlnk' and in Notes you will find the wiring
: recipe for both types of cable.
: Regards,
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From: georgeb@netcom.com (George H. Bosworth)
Subject: Not Disconnecting -- Why?
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I moved from SVR4/386 to Solaris 2.5, with the same Supra FAXmodem 288,
and now do not disconnect from a remote service. The sequence is:
[quit remote service, logout messages]
Connection closed. [message as before]
NO CARRIER [new message]
Process is hung [new; modem's red TR light stays on]
Anny ideas? Thanks -- George
&v
ACTIVE PROFILE:
B1 E1 L2 M1 N1 Q0 T V1 W0 X4 Y0 %C3 %E0 %G1 -K0 &C1 &D2 &K0 &Q5 &R1 &S0 &X0 &Y0
S00:000 S01:000 S02:043 S03:013 S04:010 S05:008 S06:002 S07:060 S08:002 S09:012
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S40:104 S41:131 S44:131 S46:138 S48:007 S91:010 S95:000 S109:062 S110:014
# Kermit initialization file by George
set prompt Susan-Kermit>
set quiet on
set modem hayes ; OK for Supra
set line /dev/term/a ; Modem device
set speed 38400 ; Supra is max 28,800
set parity none ; For binary files
set terminal bytesize 8
set file type binary ; To transfer binaries OK
set file name literal ; Preserve orignal name
set receive packet-length 2048 ; Size of one packet
set send packet-length 2048 ; Ditto, other way
set window 4 ; Send 4 packets before reply
set block-check 2 ; Set 2-char, 12-bit checksum
define mult for \%i 1 10 1 { wait 1, dial \%1, xif success { echo , connect, stop } }
define netcom do mult 328-9940
define netcom.sj do mult 1-408-261-4700
define netcom.sf do mult 985-5650
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From: "Support Technique (Dept TQM)" <tqm@seifagor.archimedia.fr>
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Subject: Strange behaviour of string '^!'
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With a particular configuration SCO Release 5 - Kermit 6.0.192 Beta.026 and
MS DOS - Kermit 3.14 , I'm not able to communicate.
With logs I've seen that the server (sur SCO) doesnt read the string '^!'
that is wrote in the packet emitted.
Who is the responsible ?
one of the modem ?
SCO ?
kermit on the server ?
I'm sure the string is emitted (I've a local analyser).
I've similar configurations that work correctly.
I think there is a parameter (modem/OS/kermit ?) but I'don't know which
parameter ?
Thanks for yous ideas.
Xavier Cabantous
tqm@seifagor.archimedia.fr
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Has anyone heard of MS-Kermit returning a 'divide overflow error' when
started on a PC using a Pentium Pro processor? It has worked fine on a
Pentium, but gives this error as soon as it is started on the Pentium Pro.
Greg Smith
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit Not Disconnecting -- Why?
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In article <georgebE9qsxJ.CJA@netcom.com>,
George H. Bosworth <georgeb@netcom.com> wrote:
: I moved from SVR4/386 to Solaris 2.5, with the same Supra FAXmodem 288,
: and now do not disconnect from a remote service. The sequence is:
:
: [quit remote service, logout messages]
:
: Connection closed. [message as before]
:
: NO CARRIER [new message]
:
: Process is hung [new; modem's red TR light stays on]
:
: Anny ideas? Thanks -- George
:
Try using the current version of C-Kermit, 6.0:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html
: # Kermit initialization file by George
: set prompt Susan-Kermit>
: set quiet on
: set modem hayes ; OK for Supra
:
C-Kermit 6.0 has a built-in Supra modem type.
: set line /dev/term/a ; Modem device
: set speed 38400 ; Supra is max 28,800
:
What about flow control? You should be using RTS/CTS with the Supra.
C-Kermit 6.0 does this automatically.
: set parity none ; For binary files
: set terminal bytesize 8
: set file type binary ; To transfer binaries OK
: set file name literal ; Preserve orignal name
: set receive packet-length 2048 ; Size of one packet
: set send packet-length 2048 ; Ditto, other way
: set window 4 ; Send 4 packets before reply
: set block-check 2 ; Set 2-char, 12-bit checksum
: define mult -
: for \%i 1 10 1 { wait 1, dial \%1, xif success { echo, connect, stop } }
:
C-Kermit 6.0 redials automatically.
: define netcom do mult 328-9940
: define netcom.sj do mult 1-408-261-4700
: define netcom.sf do mult 985-5650
:
C-Kermit 6.0 allows you to enter multiple for the same service in
your dialing directory and tries each one in turn automatically.
- Frank
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Strange behaviour of string '^!'
Date: 6 May 1997 15:22:37 GMT
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In article <01bc59fe$1ef0e400$14c0cec2@TQM.SEIDEV>,
Support Technique (Dept TQM) <tqm@seifagor.archimedia.fr> wrote:
:
: With a particular configuration SCO Release 5 - Kermit 6.0.192 Beta.026 and
: MS DOS - Kermit 3.14 , I'm not able to communicate.
:
How about C-Kermit 6.0 (not Beta)? Please obtain the final release version,
and make sure it is the one that is built specifically for SCO OSR5:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html
: With logs I've seen that the server (sur SCO) doesnt read the string '^!'
: that is wrote in the packet emitted.
:
I am not sure what you mean by '^!'. Is this an ordinary string, or is it
supposed to be a control character? (This is not a totally stupid question --
The conventions for assigning control characters to punctuation keys are
different in different countries.)
: Who is the responsible ?
: one of the modem ?
: SCO ?
: kermit on the server ?
:
: I'm sure the string is emitted (I've a local analyser).
: I've similar configurations that work correctly.
: I think there is a parameter (modem/OS/kermit ?) but I'don't know which
: parameter ?
:
If it is a control character, tell Kermit to "set prefixing none". This
will ensure that all control characters are escaped (quoted).
If it is truly a string (circumflux character followed by exlamation mark),
then I think there must be something in the path between the two Kermit
programs (a modem? a terminal server? another host?) that uses '^!' as an
escape sequence. In that case, you must (a) set the device to allow this
sequence to pass through transparently, or (b) use Kermit's "set send
double-char" command to send two copies of the '^' character for every one
that is in the data stream. Choice (b) will work if the non-transparent
intermediate device passes one copy of '^' if it receives two consecutively.
- Frank
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From: arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au (Arthur Marsh)
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Subject: serial - network - serial connection
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Hi, I'm trying to set up a serial - network - serial connection using
C-Kermit 6.0.192 and UnixWare 1.1.2. The object is to get an 8-bit
transparent connection that goes away when either serial connection closes,
and successfully tranfers data otherwise.
I'm trying everything on the one machine to begin with:
First serial connection (controling terminal):
Logs on, runs the following script:
NOPUSH
SET CARRIER ON 1
SET COMMAND BYTESIZE 8
SET EXIT WARNING OFF
SET QUIET ON
SET TERMINAL AUTODOWNLOAD OFF
SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8
SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET TRANSPARENT
SET TERMINAL ESCAPE DISABLED
SET TERMINAL APC OFF
SET PARITY NONE
SET NETWORK TCP/IP
SET TELNET BINARY REQUESTED
SET TELNET BUG BINARY-ME-MEANS-U-TOO ON
SET HOST LOCALHOST
CONNECT
stty -a output on the controlling terminal when using the above except
push enabled, and push'd to the shell:
speed 38400 baud;
intr = ^c; quit = ^|; erase = ^h; kill = ^u;
eof = ^d; eol = <undef>; eol2 = <undef>; swtch = <undef>;
start = ^q; stop = ^s; susp = ^z; dsusp = <undef>;
rprnt = ^r; flush = ^o; werase = ^w; lnext = ^v;
-parenb -parodd cs8 -cstopb hupcl cread -clocal -loblk -parext
-ignbrk brkint ignpar -parmrk -inpck istrip -inlcr -igncr icrnl -iuclc
-ixon -ixany -ixoff -imaxbel
isig icanon -xcase echo echoe echok -echonl -noflsh
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opost -olcuc onlcr -ocrnl -onocr -onlret -ofill -ofdel tab3
rtsxoff ctsxon -dtrxoff -cdxon -isxoff xcibrg rcibrg tsetcoff rsetcoff
-isscancode
Stallion bccstty -v -d /dev/tty0 output on the controlling terminal:
(board=0,panel=0,major=98,minor=128,stubindex=0)
rtslock ctslock -maprts -mapcts -dtrfollow -fakedcd
-modem onboard -ioctlwait timeout=60 -rxthold -halfstop -loopback
baudfrom=0 baudto=0
(device is not a session errno=5)
A login is performed that runs the following kermit script (leaving out
error-checking):
NOPUSH
SET CARRIER ON 1
SET COMMAND BYTESIZE 8
SET EXIT WARNING OFF
SET QUIET ON
SET TERMINAL AUTODOWNLOAD OFF
SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8
SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET TRANSPARENT
SET TERMINAL ESCAPE DISABLED
SET TERMINAL APC OFF
SET PARITY NONE
set line /dev/tty2
hangup
hangup
set line /dev/tty2
SET SPEED 19200
SET FLOW RTS/CTS
pause 1
output \13
connect
clear
hangup
hangup
quit
This appears to generally work, allowing 8-bit transparent connections with
adequate flow control, but I'm open to suggestions on improving it.
--
Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-8370-2365, fax +61-8-8223-5082
arthur@dircsa.org.au
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: serial - network - serial connection
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In article <5knqjr$q1n@gateway.dircsa.org.au>,
Arthur Marsh <arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au> wrote:
: Hi, I'm trying to set up a serial - network - serial connection using
: C-Kermit 6.0.192 and UnixWare 1.1.2. The object is to get an 8-bit
: transparent connection that goes away when either serial connection closes,
: and successfully tranfers data otherwise.
:
: I'm trying everything on the one machine to begin with:
:
: First serial connection (controling terminal):
:
: Logs on, runs the following script:
:
: NOPUSH
: SET CARRIER ON 1
: SET COMMAND BYTESIZE 8
: SET EXIT WARNING OFF
: SET QUIET ON
: SET TERMINAL AUTODOWNLOAD OFF
: SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8
: SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET TRANSPARENT
: SET TERMINAL ESCAPE DISABLED
: SET TERMINAL APC OFF
: SET PARITY NONE
: SET NETWORK TCP/IP
: SET TELNET BINARY REQUESTED
: SET TELNET BUG BINARY-ME-MEANS-U-TOO ON
: SET HOST LOCALHOST
: CONNECT
:
: stty -a output on the controlling terminal when using the above except
: push enabled, and push'd to the shell:
: ...
When you push, C-Kermit resets the controlling terminal.
: A login is performed that runs the following kermit script (leaving out
: error-checking):
:
: NOPUSH
: SET CARRIER ON 1
: SET COMMAND BYTESIZE 8
: SET EXIT WARNING OFF
: SET QUIET ON
: SET TERMINAL AUTODOWNLOAD OFF
: SET TERMINAL BYTESIZE 8
: SET TERMINAL CHARACTER-SET TRANSPARENT
: SET TERMINAL ESCAPE DISABLED
: SET TERMINAL APC OFF
: SET PARITY NONE
: set line /dev/tty2
: hangup
: hangup
: set line /dev/tty2
: SET SPEED 19200
: SET FLOW RTS/CTS
: pause 1
: output \13
: connect
: clear
: hangup
: hangup
: quit
:
: This appears to generally work, allowing 8-bit transparent connections with
: adequate flow control, but I'm open to suggestions on improving it.
:
You don't say what you meant by "improving it" -- I assume the transparency
issues have all been addressed satisfactorily; it looks like you've covered
most of the bases described in "Using C-Kermit" 2nd Edition, pages 162-165
("C-Kermit in the Middle").
In earlier releases of C-Kermit, end-to-end performance through this kind of
connection was pretty awful. A lot of work has gone into speeding it up.
Thus, for example, C-Kermit, when in CONNECT mode, no longer *assumes* that
input is coming from the (slow) keyboard, but instead uses all sorts of
buffering techniques and trickery to make this kind of connection as fast as
possible -- within the limitations of its portable architecture. Still,
you're going to see some overhead that you would not see if you had a direct
connection, especially during file transfer.
- Frank
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Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: : This appears to generally work, allowing 8-bit transparent connections with
: : adequate flow control, but I'm open to suggestions on improving it.
: :
: You don't say what you meant by "improving it" -- I assume the transparency
: issues have all been addressed satisfactorily; it looks like you've covered
: most of the bases described in "Using C-Kermit" 2nd Edition, pages 162-165
: ("C-Kermit in the Middle").
I had a bit more of a look, installed some newer Stallion drivers, then noticed
that two of our null modem adapters were a cross between the two types on
page 494 of Using C-Kermit 2nd Edition (recently purchased from the Technical
Book Shop, 295 Swanston St Melbourne Vic (-:). DTR correctly went to DSR and
DCD on the opposite side, but RTS and CTS were faked locally. I have since
replaced them with some true hardware handshaking null modem adapters.
: In earlier releases of C-Kermit, end-to-end performance through this kind of
: connection was pretty awful. A lot of work has gone into speeding it up.
: Thus, for example, C-Kermit, when in CONNECT mode, no longer *assumes* that
: input is coming from the (slow) keyboard, but instead uses all sorts of
: buffering techniques and trickery to make this kind of connection as fast as
: possible -- within the limitations of its portable architecture. Still,
: you're going to see some overhead that you would not see if you had a direct
: connection, especially during file transfer.
: - Frank
Well, it is getting very close to achieving the goal of being an 8-bit transparent
pipe that can be used to haul Fidonet traffic.
Thanks again for the great work with Kermit itself and the second edition of the
book!
--
Arthur Marsh, telephone +61-8-8370-2365, fax +61-8-8223-5082
arthur@dircsa.org.au
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In article <19970506145700.KAA05693@ladder01.news.aol.com>, gandvs@aol.com (GandVS) writes:
> Has anyone heard of MS-Kermit returning a 'divide overflow error' when
> started on a PC using a Pentium Pro processor? It has worked fine on a
> Pentium, but gives this error as soon as it is started on the Pentium Pro.
---------
You are running a rather old version of MS-DOS Kermit, written
before there were such things as Pentiums and P Pros. Please update and
the problem will vanish.
Joe D.
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From: "Michael Kairys" <kairys@mi.sl.com>
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Kermit 95 on Windows NT 4.0, USR Sportster modem..
I'm trying to work with login scripts, using the supplied login.ksc file,
to log into a SunOS host via a terminal server. It seems I never get to my
script, but rather hit a dial timeout and am returned to the Kermit prompt.
I can then connect, and I see half a dozen garbage characters at the top of
the screen.
If I then send a <cr> or two I get to the login prompt.
I guess the terminal server on the other end is putting out some initial
garbage that is preventing the dial command from succeeding. But I don't
know how to deal with this, since I never get to my script. Suggestions
welcome!
And if I get past that point, I would like to know how to issue the
equivalent of an Alt-R from a script.
I would like to do this after the login before the script exits, to fix a
number-of-rows problem. I am telling the Sun system I am a VT100 (that's
the only VT it knows about) and it seems to set me to 24 rows. even though
I do an stty rows 48 in my .cshrc and Kermit thinks my window is 49 rows.
Alt-R seems to fix it. Of course perhaps there's a better solution? Again,
suggestions welcome!
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From: Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu>
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Subject: Re: Help with dial timeout (noise?) problem
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Our news server has been busted for about a week -- we can receive but not
post. I'll try a roundabout method here, let's see if it works...
> Kermit 95 on Windows NT 4.0, USR Sportster modem..
>
> I'm trying to work with login scripts, using the supplied login.ksc file,
> to log into a SunOS host via a terminal server. It seems I never get to my
> script, but rather hit a dial timeout and am returned to the Kermit prompt.
> I can then connect, and I see half a dozen garbage characters at the top of
> the screen.
>
You need to modify the script to take the terminal server dialog into account:
typically this involves waiting (INPUT) for the terminal server prompt and
then sending (OUTPUT) the name or address of the system you want to connect
to.
> And if I get past that point, I would like to know how to issue the
> equivalent of an Alt-R from a script.
> I would like to do this after the login before the script exits, to fix a
> number-of-rows problem. I am telling the Sun system I am a VT100 (that's
> the only VT it knows about) and it seems to set me to 24 rows. even though
> I do an stty rows 48 in my .cshrc and Kermit thinks my window is 49 rows.
> Alt-R seems to fix it. Of course perhaps there's a better solution? Again,
> suggestions welcome!
>
There is presently no way to reset the terminal from command mode, but we
will probably be adding this in a future release. However, that's not the
solution in your case. Instead, once you get the host shell prompt, give
the following command:
`eval resize`
(with the "backquotes"). This should make the host recognize your current
screen size.
You should also be able to pick up VT220 and 320 termcap entries for the
Sun almost anywhere -- I'm surprised you don't have them already. Maybe there
is a spelling difference... Try:
cd /etc
grep -i vt termcap
On my local SunOS system, this picks up over 100 lines! Remember terminal
names are case sensitive in UNIX.
- Frank
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From: rober@proxys.it (Roberto Perelli)
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Subject: K95 problems on serial ports on COMPAQ Presario 71xx
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I have met a problem with Kermit-95 and serial ports of COMPAQ
Presario 71xx product line.
I get so many errors when dialing numbers or during login that I
hardly get the connection. It seems that not all characters passed to
serial port by K95 are sent to modem.
The weird thing is that communication programs like Hyperterminal,
Procomm, WinFax and others work fine on the same port in the same
configuration.
I' ve also changed port configuration disabling FIFO buffers and
decreasing the speed to 9600 bps.
The only way to make it work was installing a supplemental serial port
card disabling the integrated one.
None of these problems when using MS-Kermit 3.14 under WINDOWS 3.1 or
with COMPAQ DESKPRO, PROLINEA CONTURA, ARMADA series.
I'll appreciate very much any suggestion or idea.
Regards.
Roberto Perelli -- rober@proxys.it
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From: Jeffrey Altman <jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu>
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Subject: Re: K95 problems on serial ports on COMPAQ Presario 71xx
Date: 8 May 1997 16:00:09 -0400
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Our news server has been busted for about a week -- we can receive but not
post. I'll try a roundabout method here, let's see if it works...
In article <33719cfd.9573761@news.inet.it> you write:
: I have met a problem with Kermit-95 and serial ports of COMPAQ
: Presario 71xx product line.
:
: I get so many errors when dialing numbers or during login that I
: hardly get the connection. It seems that not all characters passed to
: serial port by K95 are sent to modem.
:
: <stuff deleted>
:
: The only way to make it work was installing a supplemental serial port
: card disabling the integrated one.
:
: None of these problems when using MS-Kermit 3.14 under WINDOWS 3.1 or
: with COMPAQ DESKPRO, PROLINEA CONTURA, ARMADA series.
It sounds like there is a hardware problem in the UART used in the
Presario 71xx that is tickled by the API calls that are used by K95.
We discovered that versions of K95 prior to 1.1.11 had problems accessing
certain virtual serial ports due to the use of the TransmitCommChar()
API call. So in 1.1.11 we removed the use of that call. It is possible
that TransmitCommChar() does not work properly with the Presario 71xx
computer UART.
If you are using version 1.1.11, please send e-mail to
kermit-support@columbia.edu so that we may attempt to discover the
cause of the problem.
Patches to K95 may be found on the Web site at
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95patch.html.
--
Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
The Kermit Project * Columbia University
612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html * kermit-support@columbia.edu
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From: Jeroen<amocomp@dds.nl>
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Subject: Neede: Resellers for Adv. Comp. Products.(only serious replies).
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From: Bill <chsenecal@amherst.edu>
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Subject: Install
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Tried to install on C:\ and all I get is a blank screen with a few
commands across the bottom. None of the helping commands apply to
connecting to the server. Anyone who can get Dr. Livingston out of the
jungle will attain notoriety among a few other dummies.
Bill
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <Pine.PMDF.3.95.970508213853.547463421B-100000@amherst.edu>,
Bill <chsenecal@amherst.edu> wrote:
: Tried to install on C:\ and all I get is a blank screen with a few
: commands across the bottom. None of the helping commands apply to
: connecting to the server. Anyone who can get Dr. Livingston out of the
: jungle will attain notoriety among a few other dummies.
:
If this is a request for help with Kermit software, you'll need to specify
which Kermit software program you are trying to install, and what version
of it, on which kind of computer and operating system and version, and from
what medium -- diskette, downloaded from net or BBS, etc, and in what form.
- Frank
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Subject: Re: Divide overflow error
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>...You are running a rather old version of MS-DOS Kermit...
Sigh. I have been using Kermit 3.12 happily for years, but now have
to cope with the top of the line Pentium and am getting the Divide overflow
error.
What update do I have to use, and where do I get it?
[The top of the line Pentium also lost Gorilla and Tetris and all the
fun things, which are having to be laboriously restored...]
reflib@nist.gov
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In article <13MAY97.01335073@enh.nist.gov>, <reflib@enh.nist.gov> wrote:
: >...You are running a rather old version of MS-DOS Kermit...
:
: Sigh. I have been using Kermit 3.12 happily for years, but now have
: to cope with the top of the line Pentium and am getting the Divide overflow
: error.
:
It's a fact of life. Time-critical (realtime) software written years ago for
a 286 or 386 class machine cannot be expected to work forever as the hardware
keeps changing out from underneath it; the developers don't have crystal balls.
Adjustments are necessary.
: What update do I have to use, and where do I get it?
:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html
- Frank
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From: lloo@POBoxes.com.X (Leon Loo)
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Subject: K95 problem with logging session
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I'm trying to log a session with Kermit 95 version 1.1.11
These are the commands that seem to work
log session test
log session 123
log session c:\test
However when I tried:
log session c:\123
It seems to fail every time I use a numerical file name with an
explicit path. It looks like it's trying to log the session to a file
name '{' in the default directory. Here is a screen capture with the
results of a SHOW FILE command after the LOG SESSION.
------------------ Start Screen Capture ----------------
[C:\apps\k95] K-95> log session c:\123
[C:\apps\k95] K-95> show file
Transfer mode: automatic
File type: binary
File names: literal
Send pathnames: off
Receive pathnames: off
File collision: backup
File destination: disk
File incomplete: keep
File bytesize: 8
File character-set: cp437
File end-of-line: crlf
File display: fullscreen
Debug log: (none)
Packet log: (none)
Session log: C:\apps\k95\{
Transaction log: (none)
Initialization file: C:/apps/k95/k95.ini
File download-directory: (none)
Temporary directory: C:/WINDOWS/TEMP/
Longest filename: 256
Longest pathname: 256
[C:\apps\k95] K-95>
------------------ End Screen Capture ------------------
My question: Is this a bug or am I doing something incorrectly? and
how best should I work around this.
Any insight to this problem would be appreciated. Thanks.
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Subject: Re: K95 problem with logging session
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In article <33787950.5951997@news.uoguelph.ca> lloo@POBoxes.com.X writes:
>I'm trying to log a session with Kermit 95 version 1.1.11
>
>These are the commands that seem to work
>log session test
>log session 123
>log session c:\test
>
>However when I tried:
>log session c:\123
>It seems to fail every time I use a numerical file name with an
>explicit path. It looks like it's trying to log the session to a file
>name '{' in the default directory. Here is a screen capture with the
>results of a SHOW FILE command after the LOG SESSION.
>
A peer at work has mentioned a similar problem to me, but I have not
verified it myself. Using Kermit 95, I think ver 1.1.10, he says he cannot
log to a directory if the directory name startes with decimal digits,
as opposed to characters a-z. It might be that kermit cannot open a file
whose name starts with digits.
Matthew
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From: "Joel T. Augard" <jaugard@netins.net>
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Subject: problem with Kermit 3.11
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I'm using MS-DOS Kermit ver. 3.11. I've got a workstation connected to
a Novell 3.12 server. The workstation has a boot disk that loads the
DOSODI protocal and uses VLM to connect to the server. After connection
to the server is established and the workstation logs in the command
KERMIT SERVER is executed to put the workstation into server mode. I
have another workstation connected to the kermit workstation using the
same version of kermit.
The problem that i'm having is that I can't access the network drives on
the kermit server. When i issue a REMOTE DIR command from the other
workstation I get an error message stating that device is unavailable.
I also get this error message anytime i issue a REMOTE command. I can
however issue REMOTE CD A:\ and then REMOTE DIR and i can get a
directory of the floppy. I can even send/receive files from the floppy,
but i can't do anything to the novell network drive. Is there a known
incompatability between MS-DOS KERMIt and novell's vlm's? Any help that
can be offered would be appreciated.
Joel T. Augard
Aesculapian Concepts
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: K95 problem with logging session
Date: 13 May 1997 16:53:05 GMT
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In article <33787950.5951997@news.uoguelph.ca>,
Leon Loo <lloo@POBoxes.com.X> wrote:
: I'm trying to log a session with Kermit 95 version 1.1.11
:
: These are the commands that seem to work
: log session test
: log session 123
: log session c:\test
:
: However when I tried:
: log session c:\123
: It seems to fail every time I use a numerical file name with an
: explicit path. It looks like it's trying to log the session to a file
: name '{' in the default directory. Here is a screen capture with the
: results of a SHOW FILE command after the LOG SESSION.
:
When referring to a file that does not yet exist, the "\nnn" (nnn being
digits) notation is ambiguous. Does it mean, literally, (in this case)
"\123", or is it a backslash-escape, which (in this case) evaluates to the
character '{'?
The manual lists numerous ways to handle such situations. In this case,
the simplest is to use the "other" slash:
log session c:/123
Others include:
log session c:\\123
or:
set command quoting off
log session c:\123
set command quoting on
etc.
- Frank
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From: Joe Doupnik <JRD@cc.usu.edu>
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Subject: Re: [problem with Kermit 3.11]
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>From: "Joel T. Augard" <jaugard@netins.net>
>Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
>Subject: problem with Kermit 3.11
>Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 11:18:07 -0500
>Organization: netINS, Inc.
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>
>I'm using MS-DOS Kermit ver. 3.11. I've got a workstation connected to
>a Novell 3.12 server. The workstation has a boot disk that loads the
>DOSODI protocal and uses VLM to connect to the server. After connection
>to the server is established and the workstation logs in the command
>KERMIT SERVER is executed to put the workstation into server mode. I
>have another workstation connected to the kermit workstation using the
>same version of kermit.
>
>The problem that i'm having is that I can't access the network drives on
>the kermit server. When i issue a REMOTE DIR command from the other
>workstation I get an error message stating that device is unavailable.
>I also get this error message anytime i issue a REMOTE command. I can
>however issue REMOTE CD A:\ and then REMOTE DIR and i can get a
>directory of the floppy. I can even send/receive files from the floppy,
>but i can't do anything to the novell network drive. Is there a known
>incompatability between MS-DOS KERMIt and novell's vlm's? Any help that
>can be offered would be appreciated.
>
>Joel T. Augard
>Aesculapian Concepts
---------
Joel,
This isn't an MS-DOS Kermit problem at all, but rather the way
you have the workstation and its NW login script and perhaps net.cfg
composed. MSK does not use IPX, so all IPX and above features are completely
independent of MSK. VLMs handle IPX work. To check things I recommend you look
at drive mappings, by first bringing MSK out of server mode.
Also, MSK v3.11 is very old indeed and I recommend you upgrade to
the current release, v3.14, or even the current open beta 3.15.
Joe D.
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Divide overflow error
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In article <13MAY97.01335073@enh.nist.gov>, reflib@enh.nist.gov writes:
> >...You are running a rather old version of MS-DOS Kermit...
>
> Sigh. I have been using Kermit 3.12 happily for years, but now have
> to cope with the top of the line Pentium and am getting the Divide overflow
> error.
>
> What update do I have to use, and where do I get it?
>
> [The top of the line Pentium also lost Gorilla and Tetris and all the
> fun things, which are having to be laboriously restored...]
>
> reflib@nist.gov
---------
From exactly the same place where you likely got it before:
kermit.columbia.edu. Version 3.14 is current, 3.15 beta is better (cd to
kermit2/test/bin, file msk315.zip).
Alternatively, we might arrange a swap: I'll send you a brand new
copy of old MSK 3.12 and you send me the top of the line Pentium. I'll
even throw in a copy of 3.15 beta. Oh, hmmm. Well, it was worth a try.
Joe D.
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From: lloo@POBoxes.com.X (Leon Loo)
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Subject: Re: K95 problem with logging session
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On Tue, 13 May 1997 15:13:18 GMT, gerlach@netcom.com (Matthew H.
Gerlach) wrote:
>A peer at work has mentioned a similar problem to me, but I have not
>verified it myself. Using Kermit 95, I think ver 1.1.10, he says he cannot
>log to a directory if the directory name startes with decimal digits,
>as opposed to characters a-z. It might be that kermit cannot open a file
>whose name starts with digits.
>
>Matthew
I originally ran into the problem with version 1.1.7 and upgraded to
1.1.11 hoping it would have been fixed. It was not.
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Does anyone know how to use Kermit 3.14 running under Windows for
Workgroups to print to a network printer. We use the Single Character
Commands menu to dump screen to file. Then in the mscustom.ini file we
included the set dump to prn line. This works perfectly if we have a
physical connection to the printer, but with a network printer you see
the error message, "unable to open file and save to disk" (or something
very similar). Any suggestions would be much appreciated.
Janet
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: K95 problem with logging session
Date: 15 May 1997 00:02:13 GMT
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In article <337a1a61.7943489@news.uoguelph.ca>,
Leon Loo <lloo@POBoxes.com.X> wrote:
: On Tue, 13 May 1997 15:13:18 GMT, gerlach@netcom.com (Matthew H.
: Gerlach) wrote:
: >A peer at work has mentioned a similar problem to me, but I have not
: >verified it myself. Using Kermit 95, I think ver 1.1.10, he says he cannot
: >log to a directory if the directory name startes with decimal digits,
: >as opposed to characters a-z. It might be that kermit cannot open a file
: >whose name starts with digits.
:
: I originally ran into the problem with version 1.1.7 and upgraded to
: 1.1.11 hoping it would have been fixed. It was not.
:
I posted an answer to this one days ago -- maybe it didn't make it?
Here it is again:
When referring to a file that does not yet exist, the "\nnn" (nnn being
digits) notation is ambiguous. Does it mean, literally, (in this case)
"\123", or is it a backslash-escape, which (in this case) evaluates to the
character '{'?
The manual lists numerous ways to handle such situations. In this case,
the simplest is to use the "other" slash:
log session c:/123
Others include:
log session c:\\123
or:
set command quoting off
log session c:\123
set command quoting on
etc.
- Frank
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Subject: Re: Divide overflow error
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If I get Kermit 3.14, can I go to a computer (not my own) which is
running Windows 95, pop the 3.14 into the A:drive, go to DOS and the
A:drive, and crank up Kermit? All I want to do is check my email.
In other words, what's the real problem here? Windows 95? The
particular Pentium model? The DOS version that is on the computer
that gives the Divide Overflow Error (Windows 4.000??? or some such)?
reflib(clinging tenaciously to the trailing edge of technology)@nist.gov
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From: lloo@POBoxes.com.X (Leon Loo)
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Subject: Re: K95 problem with logging session
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On 13 May 1997 16:53:05 GMT, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da
Cruz) wrote:
>When referring to a file that does not yet exist, the "\nnn" (nnn being
>digits) notation is ambiguous. Does it mean, literally, (in this case)
>"\123", or is it a backslash-escape, which (in this case) evaluates to the
>character '{'?
Of course, I should have figured it out. Thanks.
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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Finich a Kermit download with PcAnywhere (Win 95) and unix (BOS 2.0)
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Hello!
I have been using the version 7.50 of PcAnywhere on Win95 and a Bull DPX
2000 (BOS 2.00). These 2 computers are connected with modems (7 bits data,
Parity enable, 1 bit stop, VT220 7bits).
I have no problem in emulation mode, but one to terminate the download.
I'm downloading files from 10 Kb up to 500 Kb. The kermit session in
windows doesn't stop everytime, whereas all the data are downloaded. The
average of success is only 50%.
Does anyone know anything about this? Or does anyone know about a soft
more efficient, with script facilities but not MS-DOS please.
Thanks!
Eddy A.
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Divide overflow error
Date: 15 May 1997 14:46:12 GMT
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In article <15MAY97.01074639@enh.nist.gov>, <reflib@enh.nist.gov> wrote:
:
: If I get Kermit 3.14, can I go to a computer (not my own) which is
: running Windows 95, pop the 3.14 into the A:drive, go to DOS and the
: A:drive, and crank up Kermit? All I want to do is check my email.
:
MS-DOS Kermit was not written for Windows 95. Kermit 95 is the Kermit
software for Windows 95. MS-DOS Kermit might or might not work -- if you
want to use it in Windows 95, you're on your own.
Kermit 95 will let you check your email on a dialup connection, a direct
connection, a TCP/IP connection, or a LAT connection:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html
- Frank
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Finich a Kermit download with PcAnywhere (Win 95) and unix (BOS 2.0)
Date: 15 May 1997 14:51:32 GMT
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In article <01bc6125$e2b61800$c9c809c0@blueberry.eurobretagne.fr>,
Eddy <auffret@eurobretagne.fr> wrote:
: I have been using the version 7.50 of PcAnywhere on Win95 and a Bull DPX
: 2000 (BOS 2.00).
:
I'm not sure what BOS is -- is that Bull's name for AIX? Or is it Bull's
name for DOS? Are you saying you are running pcAnywhere on the Bull too?
: These 2 computers are connected with modems (7 bits data,
: Parity enable, 1 bit stop, VT220 7bits).
:
: I have no problem in emulation mode, but one to terminate the download.
: I'm downloading files from 10 Kb up to 500 Kb. The kermit session in
: windows doesn't stop everytime, whereas all the data are downloaded. The
: average of success is only 50%.
:
This is the support forum for Kermit software. We can't be responsible for
other peoples' implementations of the Kermit protocol, many of which are
half-hearted at best, faulty, or in some cases completely nonfunctional.
: Does anyone know anything about this? Or does anyone know about a soft
: more efficient, with script facilities but not MS-DOS please.
:
The Kermit software for Windows 95 is Kermit 95 1.1.11:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html
The Kermit software for UNIX (AIX, etc) is C-Kermit 6.0:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html
The Kermit software for DOS and Windows 3.x is MS-DOS Kermit 3.14:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html
If you are using any combination of these and you have problems, we can
help you. If you are using some other software, you'll need to get help
from its vendor when you have problems with it.
- Frank
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Divide overflow error
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In article <15MAY97.01074639@enh.nist.gov>, reflib@enh.nist.gov writes:
> If I get Kermit 3.14, can I go to a computer (not my own) which is
> running Windows 95, pop the 3.14 into the A:drive, go to DOS and the
> A:drive, and crank up Kermit? All I want to do is check my email.
>
> In other words, what's the real problem here? Windows 95? The
I might ask the same of you. The original question, if you recall,
referenced a much older version of MS-DOS Kermit. Upgrading MSK is the
solution.
Now, please tell me what your particular problem is and we
can try to provide assistance.
Joe D.
> particular Pentium model? The DOS version that is on the computer
> that gives the Divide Overflow Error (Windows 4.000??? or some such)?
>
> reflib(clinging tenaciously to the trailing edge of technology)@nist.gov
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Print w/WFW on network printer
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In article <337A3059.5A48@swbell.net>, Janet Lafferty <Janet138@swbell.net> writes:
> Does anyone know how to use Kermit 3.14 running under Windows for
> Workgroups to print to a network printer. We use the Single Character
> Commands menu to dump screen to file. Then in the mscustom.ini file we
> included the set dump to prn line. This works perfectly if we have a
> physical connection to the printer, but with a network printer you see
> the error message, "unable to open file and save to disk" (or something
> very similar). Any suggestions would be much appreciated.
>
> Janet
--------
DUMP, like Printing, uses DOS to do all the work. If DOS device
PRN is modified by your networking software such that PRN can't be opened
by the DUMP command then the difficulty is very likely with the networking
software. Kermit does not see the networking redirector; it sees only what
DOS reports. I suggest you have a look at the networking arrangement.
Joe D.
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: [problem with Kermit 3.11]
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In article <01IITM8RJD9U9ICU55@cc.usu.edu>, Joe Doupnik <JRD@cc.usu.edu> writes:
>>From: "Joel T. Augard" <jaugard@netins.net>
>>Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
>>Subject: problem with Kermit 3.11
>>Date: Tue, 13 May 1997 11:18:07 -0500
>>Organization: netINS, Inc.
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>>
>>I'm using MS-DOS Kermit ver. 3.11. I've got a workstation connected to
>>a Novell 3.12 server. The workstation has a boot disk that loads the
>>DOSODI protocal and uses VLM to connect to the server. After connection
>>to the server is established and the workstation logs in the command
>>KERMIT SERVER is executed to put the workstation into server mode. I
>>have another workstation connected to the kermit workstation using the
>>same version of kermit.
>>
>>The problem that i'm having is that I can't access the network drives on
>>the kermit server. When i issue a REMOTE DIR command from the other
>>workstation I get an error message stating that device is unavailable.
>>I also get this error message anytime i issue a REMOTE command. I can
>>however issue REMOTE CD A:\ and then REMOTE DIR and i can get a
>>directory of the floppy. I can even send/receive files from the floppy,
>>but i can't do anything to the novell network drive. Is there a known
>>incompatability between MS-DOS KERMIt and novell's vlm's? Any help that
>>can be offered would be appreciated.
>>
>>Joel T. Augard
>>Aesculapian Concepts
> ---------
> Joel,
> This isn't an MS-DOS Kermit problem at all, but rather the way
> you have the workstation and its NW login script and perhaps net.cfg
> composed. MSK does not use IPX, so all IPX and above features are completely
> independent of MSK. VLMs handle IPX work. To check things I recommend you look
> at drive mappings, by first bringing MSK out of server mode.
> Also, MSK v3.11 is very old indeed and I recommend you upgrade to
> the current release, v3.14, or even the current open beta 3.15.
> Joe D.
---------
Adding to my own chatter after thinking about the situation again.
MSK 3.11 supports Packet Drivers but not ODI drivers. Later versions (3.14
is current, 3.15 is in beta) support both. This suggests maybe the workstation
is setup to use a PD for TCP/IP but has no NetWare connectivity at that time.
Should that be the case then again upgrading MSK will permit you to dispense
with the Packet Driver (unless under Windows) and run straight over ODI.
Also, MSK 3.11 puts the screen rollback buffer in conventional
memory (640KB stuff), and later versions can use expanded and (v3.15)
extended as well. Screen rollback memory can get huge (at 4KB per screen)
and if left in conventional memory there won't be space to do anything else.
Joe D.
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I use ckermit to do file transfers between a creaky old VAX and several
VAXes and ALPHAs around North America. I've always been able to tweak the
configurations of each to where my file transfers were successful,
However, there is one site to which attemped transfers simply won't work
when using ckermit. I can acheive the same transfer between the same 2
computers using an older version of kermit and using WRQ's Reflection
protocol.
My employer has directed me to make it work at this one site, rather than
to use the alternate file transfer methods that do work.
I have attempted to modify the following parameters:
timeout (this gets me an error-out quicker)
packet length (from 64 to 512)
The following match on the 2 computers:
speed (9600)
mode (local)
modem (hayes)
terminal bits (7)
parity (none)
duplex (full)
flow (xon/xoff)
handshake (none)
carrier (auto)
names (converted)
type (labeled)
Actually, everything on the 2 computers matches; I only listed the ones
that seem significant.
Any ideas on how to make this succeed? Since my outbound e-mail is
unreliable, I'd prefer to keep the discussion of this problem here in the
newsgroup.
Which VMS versions in use?
On the remote computer (mine) VMS 6.2
On the host computer (to which I'm sending files) VMS 5.5-2
this is a very common VMS version for my clients, and all of the other
sites work ok with ckermit transfers from my VAX.
Which version of C-Kermit?
5A(188) on each; the hosts use a copy of mine.
What kind of file is it?
binary
Symptoms?
S%T%T%T%...T%
"?Too Many Retries"
[at that point it times out & returns me to the prompt on the station
from which I am sending)
(remember: I can accomplish this transmittal using the same
computers/phone lines/modem, but different software, or the same
lines/modem and a pc-vax connection with different software)
Text of PACKET.LOG?
s-00-00-_0 S~4 @-#Y3~N*%DS
r-224-03-_
r-224-03-<crunched:seq>
S-00-03-_0 S~4 @-#Y3~N*%DS
r-xx-23-<timeout>
S-00-23-_0 S~4 @-#Y3~N*%DS
r-xx-43-<timeout>
S-00-43-_0 S~4 @-#Y3~N*%DS
r-xx-03-<timeout>
S-00-03-_0 S~4 @-#Y3~N*%DS
r-xx-23-<timeout>
S-00-23-_0 S~4 @-#Y3~N*%DS
r-xx-43-<timeout>
S-00-43-_0 S~4 @-#Y3~N*%DS
r-xx-03-<timeout>
S-00-03-_0 S~4 @-#Y3~N*%DS
r-xx-23-<timeout>
S-00-23-_0 S~4 @-#Y3~N*%DS
r-xx-43-<timeout>
S-00-43-_0 S~4 @-#Y3~N*%DS
r-xx-09-<timeout>
S-00-09-_0 S~4 @-#Y3~N*%DS
r-xx-29-<timeout>
S-00-29-_0 S~4 @-#Y3~N*%DS
r-xx-49-<timeout>
s-00-49-_4 EToo many retries.O
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: problems w/ c-kermit file transfer
Date: 17 May 1997 14:15:17 GMT
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In article <MPG.de623a660d0360c989697@news.accessone.com>,
<poetryman@writeme.com> wrote:
: I use ckermit to do file transfers between a creaky old VAX and several
: VAXes and ALPHAs around North America. I've always been able to tweak the
: configurations of each to where my file transfers were successful,
:
: However, there is one site to which attemped transfers simply won't work
: when using ckermit. I can acheive the same transfer between the same 2
: computers using an older version of kermit and using WRQ's Reflection
: protocol.
:
: My employer has directed me to make it work at this one site, rather than
: to use the alternate file transfer methods that do work.
:
: Any ideas on how to make this succeed? Since my outbound e-mail is
: unreliable, I'd prefer to keep the discussion of this problem here in the
: newsgroup.
:
: Which VMS versions in use?
: On the remote computer (mine) VMS 6.2
: On the host computer (to which I'm sending files) VMS 5.5-2
: this is a very common VMS version for my clients, and all of the other
: sites work ok with ckermit transfers from my VAX.
:
: Which version of C-Kermit?
: 5A(188) on each; the hosts use a copy of mine.
:
The current version is 6.0:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html
: What kind of file is it?
: binary
:
So it probably contains 8-bit data.
: Symptoms?
: S%T%T%T%...T%
: "?Too Many Retries"
: [at that point it times out & returns me to the prompt on the station
: from which I am sending)
:
: (remember: I can accomplish this transmittal using the same
: computers/phone lines/modem, but different software, or the same
: lines/modem and a pc-vax connection with different software)
:
: Text of PACKET.LOG?
: s-00-00-_0 S~4 @-#Y3~N*%DS
: r-224-03-<crunched:seq>
:
This indicates that an invalid sequence number, 224, was received (63 is
the maximum possible sequence number). You evidently have a very basic
communication problem; something is seriously corrupting the packets coming
from the file receiver. I would be tempted to say, try "set parity space",
but I think the problem is more serious than that. The first packet should
have a sequence number of 0, but 224 is nowhere near 0+parity. You either
have an EXTREMELY noisy connection, a massive failure of flow control, or
both, and possibly also the addition of parity and maybe also an echo back
from the modem.
Try the transfer again, but this time with "log debug". Then send the
debug.log file to kermit-support@columbia.edu.
- Frank
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From: Jim Jacobus <jjacobus@wwa.com>
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I'm trying to write a telnet script using VMS C-kermit 6.0.192 to
connect to a NT system. NT system uses the Pragma s/w for telent
emulation.
I can't get a response back from my script. I have an
"input 5 login:" which should work, but I always get an error from
my VMS Kermit:
? Can't condition line for INPUT
What does this error mean. Is it documented in the Using C-Kermit
manual?
TIA
Jim
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Script Input Error
Date: 17 May 1997 14:32:34 GMT
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In article <337DC0C3.5D6B@wwa.com>, Jim Jacobus <jjacobus@wwa.com> wrote:
: I'm trying to write a telnet script using VMS C-kermit 6.0.192 to
: connect to a NT system. NT system uses the Pragma s/w for telent
: emulation.
:
: I can't get a response back from my script. I have an
: "input 5 login:" which should work, but I always get an error from
: my VMS Kermit:
: ? Can't condition line for INPUT
:
: What does this error mean. Is it documented in the Using C-Kermit
: manual?
:
No. It indicates some kind of internal error which should not happen.
Most likely it is caused by a mismatch of the VMS version or TCP/IP product
and/or version that your copy of C-Kermit was built for and the one(s) you
are actually using.
What version of VMS do you have?
What TCP/IP product do you have? What version of it?
Did you build C-Kermit yourself from source code? Or are you using one of
the prebuilt binaries? If so, which one?
- Frank
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From: Jim Jacobus <jjacobus@wwa.com>
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Subject: Re: Script Input Error
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Frank da Cruz wrote:
>
> In article <337DC0C3.5D6B@wwa.com>, Jim Jacobus <jjacobus@wwa.com> wrote:
> : I'm trying to write a telnet script using VMS C-kermit 6.0.192 to
> : connect to a NT system. NT system uses the Pragma s/w for telent
> : emulation.
> :
> : I can't get a response back from my script. I have an
> : "input 5 login:" which should work, but I always get an error from
> : my VMS Kermit:
> : ? Can't condition line for INPUT
> :
> : What does this error mean. Is it documented in the Using C-Kermit
> : manual?
> :
> No. It indicates some kind of internal error which should not happen.
> Most likely it is caused by a mismatch of the VMS version or TCP/IP product
> and/or version that your copy of C-Kermit was built for and the one(s) you
> are actually using.
>
> What version of VMS do you have?
VMS 5.5-2
>
> What TCP/IP product do you have? What version of it?
Multinet V3.5
>
> Did you build C-Kermit yourself from source code? Or are you using one of
> the prebuilt binaries? If so, which one?
Used one of the pre-built ones C-Kermit 6.0.192 release candidate 1. 6
sep 96 for OpenVMS
>
> - Frank
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Script Input Error
Date: 17 May 1997 15:36:04 GMT
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In article <337DC4EB.19AE@wwa.com>, Jim Jacobus <jjacobus@wwa.com> wrote:
: Frank da Cruz wrote:
: >
: > In article <337DC0C3.5D6B@wwa.com>, Jim Jacobus <jjacobus@wwa.com> wrote:
: > : I'm trying to write a telnet script using VMS C-kermit 6.0.192 to
: > : connect to a NT system. NT system uses the Pragma s/w for telent
: > : emulation.
: > :
: > : I can't get a response back from my script. I have an
: > : "input 5 login:" which should work, but I always get an error from
: > : my VMS Kermit:
: > : ? Can't condition line for INPUT
: > :
: > : What does this error mean. Is it documented in the Using C-Kermit
: > : manual?
: > :
: > No. It indicates some kind of internal error which should not happen.
: > Most likely it is caused by a mismatch of the VMS version or TCP/IP product
: > and/or version that your copy of C-Kermit was built for and the one(s) you
: > are actually using.
: >
: > What version of VMS do you have?
:
: VMS 5.5-2
:
: > What TCP/IP product do you have? What version of it?
:
: Multinet V3.5
:
: > Did you build C-Kermit yourself from source code? Or are you using one of
: > the prebuilt binaries? If so, which one?
:
: Used one of the pre-built ones C-Kermit 6.0.192 release candidate 1. 6
: sep 96 for OpenVMS
:
Well, we don't have an exact match, but I'd suggest you try one of the
following binaries, which are both final releases (not release candidates):
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/bin/ckvvker-vms54-tgv33d.exe
or:
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/bin/ckvvker-vms55-tgv40a.exe
Or, since MultiNet is also supposed to support UCX, you can try:
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/bin/ckvvker-vms55-ucx33.exe
If none of these works, let me know.
- Frank
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In article <337DC0C3.5D6B@wwa.com>, Jim Jacobus <jjacobus@wwa.com> wrote:
> I'm trying to write a telnet script using VMS C-kermit 6.0.192 to
> connect to a NT system. NT system uses the Pragma s/w for telent
> emulation.
>
> I can't get a response back from my script. I have an
> "input 5 login:" which should work, but I always get an error from
> my VMS Kermit:
> ? Can't condition line for INPUT
>
> What does this error mean. Is it documented in the Using C-Kermit
> manual?
FWIW, I got the exact same error writing my first Kermit telnet
script. The problem was that I was using the 'telnet' command to
connect, e.g.
telnet bix.com
input 5 login
When I changed this to
set network tcp/ip
set host bix.com
input 5 login
it started to work as I had intended.
--
Jim Janney jjanney@xmission.com, jjanney@bix.com
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According to the man page for "sz" (Unix zmodem) on our system, the
following option is available:
"g Send ESC-[-?-3-4-l to start DSZ from Kermit"
I use MS-Kermit 3.14 as a terminal emulator -- does this version of
Kermit support autostarting DSZ in this manner? If so, how to enable
this feature? (If available, it seems to be turned off by default.)
I've looked in Kermit's online help and done a fair amount of searching
using Alta Vista and DejaNews but haven't turned anything up yet on this.
Thanks in advance for any followups with useful info...
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <slrn5nsr75.s30.nospam@unix1.netaxs.com>,
<nospam@bucket.bit> wrote:
: According to the man page for "sz" (Unix zmodem) on our system, the
: following option is available:
:
: "g Send ESC-[-?-3-4-l to start DSZ from Kermit"
:
: I use MS-Kermit 3.14 as a terminal emulator -- does this version of
: Kermit support autostarting DSZ in this manner? If so, how to enable
: this feature? (If available, it seems to be turned off by default.)
:
: I've looked in Kermit's online help and done a fair amount of searching
: using Alta Vista and DejaNews but haven't turned anything up yet on this.
: Thanks in advance for any followups with useful info...
:
This information applied to old versions of MS-DOS Kermit, and also required
that a certain macro be defined on the Kermit end. This feature is no longer
available in the same form because the escape sequence cited above conflicted
with a later use by DEC in VT terminals. From the KERMIT.BWR file:
(2) INCOMPATIBILITIES BETWEEN MS-DOS KERMIT 3.14 AND EARLIER VERSIONS
1. In version 3.13, the escape sequence that invoked the TERMINALR/S macros
was changed to control screen writing direction (details in KERMIT.UPD),
for compatibility with newer VT terminals. Any host software that sent
the TERMINALR/S sequences will need to be converted to send APC sequences.
See KERMIT.UPD and the WordPerfect section of this file.
A new method that is (a) more flexible, and (b) less likely to conflict with
anything else is described in Section 10 of the KERMIT.UPD file.
- Frank
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I'm trying to find a kermit binary that will run on an Altos Xenix 486
box. I need to move about 20MB of assorted data files and have no
communications software on the Xenix box at all. Any help would be
greatly appreciated.
Regards,
Doug
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From: Jim Jacobus <jjacobus@wwa.com>
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Subject: Re: Script Input Error
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Jim Janney wrote:
>
> In article <337DC0C3.5D6B@wwa.com>, Jim Jacobus <jjacobus@wwa.com> wrote:
> > I'm trying to write a telnet script using VMS C-kermit 6.0.192 to
> > connect to a NT system. NT system uses the Pragma s/w for telent
> > emulation.
> >
> > I can't get a response back from my script. I have an
> > "input 5 login:" which should work, but I always get an error from
> > my VMS Kermit:
> > ? Can't condition line for INPUT
> >
> > What does this error mean. Is it documented in the Using C-Kermit
> > manual?
>
> FWIW, I got the exact same error writing my first Kermit telnet
> script. The problem was that I was using the 'telnet' command to
> connect, e.g.
>
> telnet bix.com
> input 5 login
>
> When I changed this to
>
> set network tcp/ip
> set host bix.com
> input 5 login
>
> it started to work as I had intended.
>
> --
> Jim Janney jjanney@xmission.com, jjanney@bix.com
ohmygosh! That worked. Thanks. -- Jim
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit binary for Altos Xenix 486
Date: 18 May 1997 19:36:34 GMT
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In article <337CD1EA.549F6951@shopthenet.net>,
Doug L Hoffman <hoffman@shopthenet.net> wrote:
: I'm trying to find a kermit binary that will run on an Altos Xenix 486
: box. I need to move about 20MB of assorted data files and have no
: communications software on the Xenix box at all. Any help would be
: greatly appreciated.
:
As you probably know, that's a UNIX C-Kermit binary we don't have in our
collection:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60ubin.html
We'd like to add it. C-Kermit 6.0 sources can be found at:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html
And the Altos 486 Xenix version can be built with "make altos". If anybody
has, or can make, this binary, please let Doug know, and me too.
Thanks!
- Frank
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Script Input Error
Date: 18 May 1997 19:47:48 GMT
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In article <337F4817.6DC2@wwa.com>, Jim Jacobus <jjacobus@wwa.com> wrote:
: Jim Janney wrote:
: > In article <337DC0C3.5D6B@wwa.com>, Jim Jacobus <jjacobus@wwa.com> wrote:
: > > I'm trying to write a telnet script using VMS C-kermit 6.0.192 to
: > > connect to ...
: > > I can't get a response back from my script. I have an
: > > "input 5 login:" which should work, but I always get an error from
: > > my VMS Kermit:
: > > ? Can't condition line for INPUT
: > ...
: > When I changed this to
: >
: > set network tcp/ip
: > set host bix.com
: > input 5 login
: >
: > it started to work as I had intended.
:
: ohmygosh! That worked. Thanks. -- Jim
:
Right. TELNET xxx means (roughly) "set network tcp/ip, set host xxx, if
success connect". In other words, TELNET at the Kermit prompt does roughly
what "telnet" at the system prompt would do.
But scripts do not execute while in CONNECT mode. CONNECT (or TELNET) is
just another command in the script; the next command is executed after
Kermit reterns from CONNECT mode. Of course this is documented in the
manual, which also shows numerous examples of how to write scripts for
Telnet connections, using SET HOST.
If your script looked like this:
telnet blah
input 10 login:
then probably what happened is you got the interactive terminal screen,
saw the login prompt, and then logged out or disconnected. At this point
Kermit returns to its command processor and executes the INPUT command,
but at this point the connection has been closed, and hence the message:
?Can't condition line for INPUT
- Frank
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From: Jim Jacobus <jjacobus@wwa.com>
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Frank da Cruz wrote:
>
> In article <337F4817.6DC2@wwa.com>, Jim Jacobus <jjacobus@wwa.com> wrote:
> : Jim Janney wrote:
> : > In article <337DC0C3.5D6B@wwa.com>, Jim Jacobus <jjacobus@wwa.com> wrote:
> : > > I'm trying to write a telnet script using VMS C-kermit 6.0.192 to
> : > > connect to ...
> : > > I can't get a response back from my script. I have an
> : > > "input 5 login:" which should work, but I always get an error from
> : > > my VMS Kermit:
> : > > ? Can't condition line for INPUT
> : > ...
> : > When I changed this to
> : >
> : > set network tcp/ip
> : > set host bix.com
> : > input 5 login
> : >
> : > it started to work as I had intended.
> :
> : ohmygosh! That worked. Thanks. -- Jim
> :
> Right. TELNET xxx means (roughly) "set network tcp/ip, set host xxx, if
> success connect". In other words, TELNET at the Kermit prompt does roughly
> what "telnet" at the system prompt would do.
>
> But scripts do not execute while in CONNECT mode. CONNECT (or TELNET) is
> just another command in the script; the next command is executed after
> Kermit reterns from CONNECT mode. Of course this is documented in the
> manual, which also shows numerous examples of how to write scripts for
> Telnet connections, using SET HOST.
>
> If your script looked like this:
>
> telnet blah
> input 10 login:
>
> then probably what happened is you got the interactive terminal screen,
> saw the login prompt, and then logged out or disconnected. At this point
> Kermit returns to its command processor and executes the INPUT command,
> but at this point the connection has been closed, and hence the message:
>
> ?Can't condition line for INPUT
>
> - Frank
Thanks for clearing that up. That was my error. -- Jim
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From: brodie@axp1.cpg.mcw.edu (Kent C Brodie)
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Subject: Ckermit and CD broken (VMS, ALPHA) --more--
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Aaron and I have been having some offline discussions. The DECC RTL
may be part of the issue-- but this doesn't break on just search lists.
Frank, anyone? This is quite serious. "CD" simply does NOT
work. (Alpha VMS, V6.2).
See the following example:
DISK$AXPPROD:[SOURCE.CKERMIT.V60.SOURCE] C-Kermit>cd download:
download:: no such file or directory
DISK$AXPPROD:[SOURCE.CKERMIT.V60.SOURCE] C-Kermit>cd download
download: no such file or directory
DISK$AXPPROD:[SOURCE.CKERMIT.V60.SOURCE] C-Kermit>cd sys$system:
sys$system:: no such file or directory
DISK$AXPPROD:[SOURCE.CKERMIT.V60.SOURCE] C-Kermit>set def disk$array6:[download]
disk$array6:[download]: no such file or directory
DISK$AXPPROD:[SOURCE.CKERMIT.V60.SOURCE] C-Kermit>
Returning you to VMS now.
axp1> show log download
"DOWNLOAD" = "DISK$ARRAY6:[DOWNLOAD]" (LNM$SYSTEM_TABLE)
axp1> dir download
DISK$ARRAY6:[DOWNLOAD]
......
--
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Ckermit and CD broken (VMS, ALPHA) --more--
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In article <1997May20.154856@axp1.cpg.mcw.edu>,
Kent C Brodie <brodie@axp1.cpg.mcw.edu> wrote:
: Aaron and I have been having some offline discussions. The DECC RTL
: may be part of the issue-- but this doesn't break on just search lists.
:
: Frank, anyone? This is quite serious. "CD" simply does NOT
: work. (Alpha VMS, V6.2).
:
I know. Actually, it seems to work everywhere but Alpha VMS 6.2 or later.
But it's definitely a bug. There's a source-level patch for it in the
PATCHES file (Patch 0016):
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/f/PATCHES
I hope to have a maintenance release ready for Alpha testing within a week
or two.
- Frank
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Hello. We're using C-Kermit (6.0.192), and on a VAX, had no problems with
the "CD" command. (we could "CD" anywhere we wanted).
On our ALPHA, however, "CD" *only* seems to work for directly-connected
directories (subdirs, etc). We can no longer "CD" to any other
device, whether it's a valid disk and directory, or even a logical name.
help?
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Announcing MS-DOS Kermit 3.15 Beta 21
Date: 19 May 1997 20:55:21 GMT
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The status-line clock now can show elapsed time for the current connection
via SET TERMINAL CLOCK { ON, OFF, ELAPSED-TIME }. ON shows time of day,
ELAPSED-TIME shows elapsed time. Also the clock sampling and display
mechanism has been adjusted to prevent flickering in Windows, and so now
is ON by default for both DOS and Windows 3.x. The elapsed-time clock can
also be set back to 0 with the new RESET CLOCK command.
New \Kdebug Kverb added, to toggle SET DEBUG SESSION while in CONNECT
mode, and assigned to Alt-d by default. This removes the necessity to
escape back, SET DEBUG SESSION, and reconnect to get terminal-screen
debugging, and then escape back, SET DEBUG OFF, and reconnect to turn it
off again.
\Kreset (reset the terminal emulator) assigned to Alt-r for compatibility
with Kermit 95. It is also still on Alt-=, as before.
Additional TCP/IP stack monitoring and debugging facilities, described in
MSK315.DOC.
Beta 21 is at:
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/test/bin/msk315.zip
As with the previous Betas, download this one into your regular MS-DOS Kermit
3.14 directory and unzip it. It makes MSK315.EXE and MSK315.DOC files which
do not conflict with your current installation. To test, just run MSK315
instead of KERMIT. Send reports to kermit-support@columbia.edu.
Thanks as always to JRD!
- Frank
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From: cmosley@voicenet.com (Christopher Mosley)
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Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: In article <slrn5nsr75.s30.nospam@unix1.netaxs.com>,
: <nospam@bucket.bit> wrote:
: : According to the man page for "sz" (Unix zmodem) on our system, the
: : following option is available:
: :
: : "g Send ESC-[-?-3-4-l to start DSZ from Kermit"
: :
: : I use MS-Kermit 3.14 as a terminal emulator -- does this version of
: : Kermit support autostarting DSZ in this manner? If so, how to enable
: : this feature? (If available, it seems to be turned off by default.)
: :
: : I've looked in Kermit's online help and done a fair amount of searching
: : using Alta Vista and DejaNews but haven't turned anything up yet on this.
: : Thanks in advance for any followups with useful info...
: :
: This information applied to old versions of MS-DOS Kermit, and also required
: that a certain macro be defined on the Kermit end. This feature is no longer
: available in the same form because the escape sequence cited above conflicted
: with a later use by DEC in VT terminals. From the KERMIT.BWR file:
: (2) INCOMPATIBILITIES BETWEEN MS-DOS KERMIT 3.14 AND EARLIER VERSIONS
: 1. In version 3.13, the escape sequence that invoked the TERMINALR/S macros
: was changed to control screen writing direction (details in KERMIT.UPD),
: for compatibility with newer VT terminals. Any host software that sent
: the TERMINALR/S sequences will need to be converted to send APC sequences.
: See KERMIT.UPD and the WordPerfect section of this file.
: A new method that is (a) more flexible, and (b) less likely to conflict with
: anything else is described in Section 10 of the KERMIT.UPD file.
: - Frank
****************************************************************************
------------------------------------------------------------------------------
defined in mscustom.ini file.
if dsz def is not the same it is probably similar.
gsz or dsz must be in path
define rz run gsz F ha on port 2 G rz -r
---------------------------------------------------------------------------
for use in unix scripts and aliases
easier not to type control chars
also better not to have control chars
in scripts: apc comand sequence
will be implemented with some viewers.
use gcc
apc_echo.c
#include<stdio.h>
void main(int argc,char *argv[]){
printf("^[_ %s\n^[\\",argv[1]);}
/* p.s. use real control not ^ and [ */
----------------------------------------------------------------------------
script for auto downloading file
#!/bin/sh
apc_echo "rz,output \13"
sz $*
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------
# csh alias for downloading file
# must not be named sz - recursion occurs
alias szz 'apc_echo "output sz \!*\13,rz,output \13"'
better way is:
alias szz 'apc_echo "rz,output \13";sz \!*'
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
something else
script for downloading and viewing mime type images directly from lynx,
tin. Name of script must be specified in .mailcap metamail file
i.e. image/*;scriptname %s
#!/bin/sh
picture=`echo $1 | cut -c6-`
prefix=`echo $picture | cut -c1-3`
#prefix and suffix transposed for tin mime encoded files
if test $prefix = "mm."
then
newname=`echo $1 | cut -c10-`.mm
mv $1 /tmp/$newname
apc_echo "rz,run view.bat $newname,clear apc"
sz /tmp/$newname
else
apc_echo "rz,run view.bat $picture,clear apc"
sz $1
fi
-----------
view.bat
@echo off
rem stuffit is free resident keyboard buffer stuffer at oakland
stuffit 'ex'13 'view2 %1'13 > nul
exit
-----------
view2.bat
@echo off
rem unload resident stuffer
stuffit /R > nul
rem runme is bat file for " free "DISPLAY" viewer
call runme %1
rem run kermit and connect again
msk315 stay,output ^W, c
p.s. It is not necessary to do it like this (exit kermit and restart kermit)
did it to save memory.
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I'm running Solaris 2.5.1 on a pentium with a hayes 28.8 modem and
can't seem to get the configuration correct. Any and all help
appreciated.
Here's the dialog
kermit> set modem type hayes_high_speed
kermit> set line /dev/tty
kermit> dial
Oops...at this point I don't even get to enter the number. As soon as
I type the space after "dial" I get a message that I must SET LINE
first.
So my question is, to what? I thought /dev/tty was correct. And
nothing seems to work.
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <5lv818$312$1@news1.rmi.net>, Blanche Cohen <blanche@rmi.net> wrote:
: I'm running Solaris 2.5.1 on a pentium with a hayes 28.8 modem and
: can't seem to get the configuration correct. Any and all help
: appreciated.
:
So this is a question about C-Kermit 6.0?
: Here's the dialog
:
: kermit> set modem type hayes_high_speed
: kermit> set line /dev/tty
:
No, not /dev/tty. That's the terminal you are typing commands on. You
need to specify the name of device the modem is attached to.
: kermit> dial
:
: Oops...at this point I don't even get to enter the number. As soon as
: I type the space after "dial" I get a message that I must SET LINE
: first.
:
: So my question is, to what? I thought /dev/tty was correct. And
: nothing seems to work.
:
Please consult the manual about how to use the software:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html
- Frank
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From: David Greeson <dgreeson@raleigh.ibm.com>
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Subject: Transmit drops the last 10-14 characters
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Hi,
I'm using C-Kermit's transmit command to transfer an
ascii file out of a serial port to an embedded uP. I'm
running Linux v1.2.29 and I don't remember the C-Kermit
version, but I down loaded the version two months ago.
I set the following items:
set line /dev/cua0
set speed 19200
set file type binary (so it will transfer a byte at a time)
set flow xon
Then I set the uP to receive the ascii file and type crtl-\c
C-kermit> transmit foo.bar
The uP receives the whole file except for the last 10-14
characters. The com port has a 16550A uart. I was wondering
if C-Kermit opened the device; transmitted the file; Then
closed the device before all the characters were transmitted?
Is there a setup option that I missed?
Thanks,
David
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Transmit drops the last 10-14 characters
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In article <338498B1.41C6@raleigh.ibm.com>,
David Greeson <dgreeson@raleigh.ibm.com> wrote:
: I'm using C-Kermit's transmit command to transfer an
: ascii file out of a serial port to an embedded uP. I'm
: running Linux v1.2.29 and I don't remember the C-Kermit
: version, but I down loaded the version two months ago.
: I set the following items:
:
: set line /dev/cua0
: set speed 19200
: set file type binary (so it will transfer a byte at a time)
: set flow xon
:
: Then I set the uP to receive the ascii file and type crtl-\c
: C-kermit> transmit foo.bar
:
: The uP receives the whole file except for the last 10-14
: characters. The com port has a 16550A uart.
:
But what about the microprocessor? Does it have a buffered
UART? Does it do flow control?
: I was wondering
: if C-Kermit opened the device; transmitted the file; Then
: closed the device before all the characters were transmitted?
:
That might have happened under 4.2BSD, but Linux is based on
System V &/or POSIX, in which a close() call ensures that all
pending output is flushed. If it's not doing that I think we have
an OS or driver bug.
But before jumping to conclusions, how do we know that Kermit did
not send all the bytes? Have you put a data scope on the line?
- Frank
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From: SkizoWalker <skizo@hol.fr>
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Hi ppl !
iam right now Programming a terminal programm for win95 (with Visual C/C++ 4.2 )
and would like to implement Kermit protocol , where could i get the Source code or the
Lib ? (or SDK)
can some1 help me ? please email me if so to Skizo@hol.fr
i would be really gratefull !
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From: spanosa@vnet.net (spanosa)
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I'm running C-Kermit 6.0.192 for Linux (Version 2.0.29 running
on a Pentium box) and have a problem getting it to hangup. I've
written a script to download some binary files on a BBS. The
script works fine up to the point when it says "quit" or
"exit" at which point Kermit responds:
A serial connection might still be active on /dev/modem.
OK to exit?
Kermit will not shut down until I have hit "y." I've tried
sending "+++ath" instead of "hangup" and everything else I
can think of.
I need to run this script on a cron process so as to
automatically update a web page. Obviously being forced to
interact with the modem is of no value.
I would be most grateful for any advice.
Thaks
Ari Spanos
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <5m2fdm$t7g$1@ralph.vnet.net>, spanosa <spanosa@vnet.net> wrote:
:
: I'm running C-Kermit 6.0.192 for Linux (Version 2.0.29 running
: on a Pentium box) and have a problem getting it to hangup. I've
: written a script to download some binary files on a BBS. The
: script works fine up to the point when it says "quit" or
: "exit" at which point Kermit responds:
:
: A serial connection might still be active on /dev/modem.
: OK to exit?
:
The message means that a serial connection might still be active on
/dev/modem. In other words, at the point where your "quit" command is
executed, the modem is still presenting the carrier signal. Kermit is
being nice and warning you about this, since most people don't exit from
a communications program while the connection is still open.
: Kermit will not shut down until I have hit "y." I've tried
: sending "+++ath" instead of "hangup" and everything else I
: can think of.
:
: I need to run this script on a cron process so as to
: automatically update a web page. Obviously being forced to
: interact with the modem is of no value.
:
: I would be most grateful for any advice.
:
You can fix the underlying problem or you can fix the symptom.
The methods are described in detail in the manual, "Using C-Kermit".
If your script is logging out from the remote system, this should
cause the remote system to hang up its end of the phone call, which
stops the carrier signal, and this in turn should cause your modem to
turn off its CD signal, which in turn should prevent the message.
Check your modem's configuration -- do you have it forcing CD up all
the time, rather than following carrier, as it should? If so,
change the modem's configuration; for example, add "&C1" to its init
string, e.g.
set modem command init \freplace(\v(m_init),AT,AT&C1)
(In the UNIX versions of C-Kermit we don't mess with &Cn, &Sn, &Dn,
etc, because this rubs too many sysadmins the wrong way.) Or just
change it in your modem and save the configuration.
If you really want to log out and exit while the connection is still
open, then, as explained on pages 464-465, use "set exit warning off".
- Frank
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Running: windows 95. kermit 1.10
Problem:
Sometimes, every so often, the user is not given the choice of 10xX18
for font choice. Why? I want 10x18 when running 800x600 resoution.
Sometimes it's there (on bootup) and then it's not (sometime later). I
want 10x18 always.
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Ace!
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <338d05c7.15463158@news.cjnetworks.com>,
Ace O'Diamonds <ace@fulldeck.com> wrote:
: Running: windows 95. kermit 1.10
:
: Sometimes, every so often, the user is not given the choice of 10xX18
: for font choice. Why? I want 10x18 when running 800x600 resoution.
: Sometimes it's there (on bootup) and then it's not (sometime later). I
: want 10x18 always.
:
One of the sacrifices we make when moving to complicated and proprietary
platforms like Windows 95 is the ability to troubleshoot, or even understand,
many types of problems. If Windows won't show you the font in its menu,
there is certainly nothing Kermit can do about it! Why doesn't it show you
the font you want? Who knows. If you browse through the Windows 95
newsgroups, you'll find about 50% of the postings have subject lines like
"HELP! My xxxx disappeared!", where "xxxx" can be just about anything:
a font, an icon, an application, a device, you name it.
Maybe some readers have some more-concrete suggestions. In my experience,
once your Windows 95 system starts to deteriorate, which can happen for
countless mysterious reasons, you have to reinstall it.
- Frank
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On 23 May 1997 14:16:39 GMT, in comp.protocols.kermit.misc, Frank da
Cruz wrote:
>In article <338d05c7.15463158@news.cjnetworks.com>,
>Ace O'Diamonds <ace@fulldeck.com> wrote:
>: Running: windows 95. kermit 1.10
>:
>: Sometimes, every so often, the user is not given the choice of 10xX18
>: for font choice. Why? I want 10x18 when running 800x600 resoution.
>: Sometimes it's there (on bootup) and then it's not (sometime later). I
>: want 10x18 always.
>:
>One of the sacrifices we make when moving to complicated and proprietary
>platforms like Windows 95 is the ability to troubleshoot, or even understand,
>many types of problems. If Windows won't show you the font in its menu,
>there is certainly nothing Kermit can do about it! Why doesn't it show you
>the font you want? Who knows. If you browse through the Windows 95
>newsgroups, you'll find about 50% of the postings have subject lines like
>"HELP! My xxxx disappeared!", where "xxxx" can be just about anything:
>a font, an icon, an application, a device, you name it.
>
>Maybe some readers have some more-concrete suggestions. In my experience,
>once your Windows 95 system starts to deteriorate, which can happen for
>countless mysterious reasons, you have to reinstall it.
When Kermit 95 comes up, when I make a connection, it always comes up in
the smallest font available. "Auto" is what appears in the font
selection box. I'm at an age when the next step will be bifocals, so I
always change the font to 10X18, which is screen-filling at 800X600 on a
17-inch monitor. Sometimes, though, the system fonts will have
disappeared from the font selection list. Oh, the TrueType monospaced
fonts are still available, but the system fixed-pixel choices (much
better than the TrueType fonts) will have vanished. All I have to do to
get them back is reboot.
So, I understand and accept your explanation. Wind95 sometimes drives me
crazy.
--
Ace!
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Are there instructions anywhere on how to use Kermit 95 with a PPP
connection to an ISP? I have the Kermit 95 instruction book and Using
C Kermit. I can make successful dialup connections. I can also
establish a connection with my ISP but when I launch Netscape, nothing
happens and eventuallly I'm disconnected. Can Kermit 95 substitute
for Windows dial-up networking? What piece am I missing?
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
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In article <33839a3d.23233546@news.ziplink.net>,
Cynthia <toomer@ziplink.net> wrote:
: Are there instructions anywhere on how to use Kermit 95 with a PPP
: connection to an ISP? I have the Kermit 95 instruction book and Using
: C Kermit. I can make successful dialup connections. I can also
: establish a connection with my ISP but when I launch Netscape, nothing
: happens and eventuallly I'm disconnected. Can Kermit 95 substitute
: for Windows dial-up networking? What piece am I missing?
K95 can not substitute for dial-up networking. You use dial-up
networking to establish a PPP connection. Then you can use Netscape
to browse and K95 to Telnet and Rlogin over that IP connection.
Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
The Kermit Project * Columbia University
612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html * kermit-support@columbia.edu
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From: SkizoWalker <skizo@hol.fr>
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Hi .
Kermit is really interesting , but is there any Free Ware
Protocol other than Kermit ??
I know htat Zmodem is not free , but where i could find
free source code like kermit on unix but like X/Y Modem
or other protocol ?
Greetings ..
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A microcontroller send me only cr (\13) on a pc-comport.
I want transform cr in crlf (\13\10) (terminal emulation).
How do that with msdos kerm314?
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In article <5mbn76$52d$1@laas.laas.fr>, Jean-Paul Berry <berry@laas.fr> wrote:
:
: A microcontroller send me only cr (\13) on a pc-comport.
: I want transform cr in crlf (\13\10) (terminal emulation).
: How do that with msdos kerm314?
:
SET TERMINAL CR-DISPLAY CRLF
- Frank
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In article <5mbn76$52d$1@laas.laas.fr>, berry@laas.fr (Jean-Paul Berry) writes:
> A microcontroller send me only cr (\13) on a pc-comport.
> I want transform cr in crlf (\13\10) (terminal emulation).
> How do that with msdos kerm314?
-------------
You will need to upgrade to MS-DOS Kermit v3.15 and use the command
SET TERMINAL CR-DISPLAY CRLF (or NORMAL). MSK 3.15 is still in open beta
so look in directory kermit2/test/bin for msk315.zip, on kermit.columbia.edu.
Joe D.
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Hi, I do have the fine C-Kermit manual, but wondered what the simplest
way to get a Kermit script to quit if the script was not run from a serial
tty.
In other words, what would be the proper C-Kermit script to compare a
substring to achieve the same result as:
if not (first 8 characters of \$(LOGTTY) = "/dev/tty") then quit
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In article <5mctd1$h7f@gateway.dircsa.org.au>,
Arthur Marsh <arthur@gateway.dircsa.org.au> wrote:
: Hi, I do have the fine C-Kermit manual, but wondered what the simplest
: way to get a Kermit script to quit if the script was not run from a serial
: tty.
:
That's a good question. I think the answer would depend on the precise
UNIX version and release and configuration. In the general case, UNIX
provides no way to tell whether a device is a serial tty or a pseudoterminal.
: In other words, what would be the proper C-Kermit script to compare a
: substring to achieve the same result as:
:
: if not (first 8 characters of \$(LOGTTY) = "/dev/tty") then quit
:
But your login tty is always "/dev/tty". Maybe you have something in the
system-wide profile like:
export LOGTTY=`tty`
String comparison, of course, is the easy part:
if not equal "\fsubstring(\$(LOGTTY),1,8)" "/dev/tty" stop 1 blah blah
You could do something like make a list of the serial devices on your computer
and then look it up in the list (hint: use arrays).
- Frank
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From: Andy Walls <andywalls@radix.net>
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SkizoWalker wrote:
>
> Kermit is really interesting , but is there any Free Ware
> Protocol other than Kermit ??
>
> I know htat Zmodem is not free , but where i could find
> free source code like kermit on unix but like X/Y Modem
> or other protocol ?
GNU UUCP has the Zmodem protocol in it (along with f, g, and
other protocols).
It's subject to the GNU public lisence of course.
(Essentially free.)
Hope this helps.
Andy
andywalls@radix.net
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From: SkizoWalker <skizo@hol.fr>
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Subject: Re: Other Protocol Available ???
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Andy Walls wrote:
>
> SkizoWalker wrote:
> >
> > Kermit is really interesting , but is there any Free Ware
> > Protocol other than Kermit ??
> >
> > I know htat Zmodem is not free , but where i could find
> > free source code like kermit on unix but like X/Y Modem
> > or other protocol ?
>
> GNU UUCP has the Zmodem protocol in it (along with f, g, and
> other protocols).
>
> It's subject to the GNU public lisence of course.
> (Essentially free.)
>
> Hope this helps.
> Andy
> andywalls@radix.net
Thanx for inf o , do you knwo where i could get'em ?
sorry for that Lame question !!
Mickael
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From: cornellr@merlin.ecid.cig.mot.com (Robert Cornell)
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I am having a little difficulty reading from commands that only output a
single line such as crypt. I have a program that generates a logfile name.
from ksh...
$ rat -y
/opt/rat/log/none-cornellr.log
from kermit...
C-Kermit>open !read rat -y
C-Kermit>read line
C-Kermit>echo \m(line)
C-Kermit>
Whereas:
C-Kermit>open !read ls -l
C-Kermit>read line
C-Kermit>echo \m(line)
total 1768
C-Kermit>read line
C-Kermit>echo \m(line)
-r-xr-xr-x 1 cornellr a_user 760784 May 14 13:16 kermit
C-Kermit>read line
C-Kermit>echo \m(line)
drwxrwxrwx 2 cornellr a_user 512 May 29 15:38 log
C-Kermit>read line
C-Kermit>echo \m(line)
-rwxr-xr-x 1 cornellr a_user 12972 May 29 15:44 rat
C-Kermit>
The manual dosen't give much away, just a VMS dir example!
I'm sure this ain't a bug, what am I missing?
I am using 6.0.192 for Solaris 2.x.
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: !READ
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In article <1997May29.161158@merlin.ecid.cig.mot.com>,
Robert Cornell <cornellr@merlin.ecid.cig.mot.com> wrote:
: I am having a little difficulty reading from commands that only output a
: single line such as crypt. I have a program that generates a logfile name.
: from ksh...
: $ rat -y
: /opt/rat/log/none-cornellr.log
:
: from kermit...
: C-Kermit>open !read rat -y
: C-Kermit>read line
: C-Kermit>echo \m(line)
:
: C-Kermit>
:
: Whereas:
: C-Kermit>open !read ls -l
: C-Kermit>read line
: C-Kermit>echo \m(line)
: total 1768
:
: The manual doesn't give much away, just a VMS dir example!
: I'm sure this ain't a bug, what am I missing?
:
The definition of READ and !READ are that they read a "line", a line
being some text terminated by a line terminator such as LF, so Kermit
is behaving as documented.
However, this definition is probably a bit too strict. If you have source
code, you can apply Patch 34 from the PATCHES file:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/f/PATCHES
This allows the last or only line to be successfully read even if it is
not properly terminated.
- Frank
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From: cornellr@merlin.ecid.cig.mot.com (Robert Cornell)
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In article <1997May29.161158@merlin.ecid.cig.mot.com>, I wrote:
|> (SNIP)
|> single line such as crypt.
For crypt read uname!
Encryption on the brain!
%)
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Hi all
I'm trying transfer files from my old pc 386 (run ms-dos kermit 3.15)
to my linux box (pentium 133 - c-kermit) but I get an problem.
The transfer files from linux to terminal is very ok but in the other
side the proccess don't work.
When I go to the terminal kermit (after type "receive"in the
c-kermit") and run "send xxxx.txt" the kermit say "can't open the
file". After the file in the dos system terminal stay locked.
Any idea ????
Any help would be appreciated
(Any critique to my article or mail would be appreciated too !!!)
"Please don't flame. I'm an poor newbie
Pentium 133 Mhz, 16 MB, CD ROM 4X SB16
Linux 2.0.27 Slackware 3.1 (96) Boot Disk
hda (w95), hdb1 (dos) and hdb2,3 (LINUX)
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Don't transfer file from terminal (msk315) to server linux (c-kermit)
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In article <5mlbdj$b0i@srv4-poa.nutecnet.com.br>,
aff <adfey@nutecnet.com.br> wrote:
: I'm trying transfer files from my old pc 386 (run ms-dos kermit 3.15)
: to my linux box (pentium 133 - c-kermit) but I get an problem.
: The transfer files from linux to terminal is very ok but in the other
: side the proccess don't work.
: When I go to the terminal kermit (after type "receive"in the
: c-kermit") and run "send xxxx.txt" the kermit say "can't open the
: file". After the file in the dos system terminal stay locked.
:
: Any idea ????
:
It sounds like you did not tell C-Kermit on Linux to "receive". To upload
a file from the PC to Linux, you have to log in from the PC to Linux,
start Kermit on Linux, tell it to "receive", then escape back to the PC,
then tell it to "send xxxx.txt".
- Frank
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Date: 30 May 1997 14:29:28 GMT
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In article <5mlbdj$b0i@srv4-poa.nutecnet.com.br>,
aff <adfey@nutecnet.com.br> wrote:
: I'm trying transfer files from my old pc 386 (run ms-dos kermit 3.15)
: to my linux box (pentium 133 - c-kermit) but I get an problem.
: The transfer files from linux to terminal is very ok but in the other
: side the proccess don't work.
: When I go to the terminal kermit (after type "receive"in the
: c-kermit") and run "send xxxx.txt" the kermit say "can't open the
: file". After the file in the dos system terminal stay locked.
:
Oops, sorry, I didn't read your second paragraph carefully enough. From
your description, it sounds like you are trying to send a DOS file that has
something wrong with it, or you are trying to send the file to a Linux
directory to which you lack write permission.
First try running CHKDSK on your PC to see if your file system is OK, and
make sure you can create files in your Linux destination directory. If all
that is OK and you still have a problem, try collecting packet logs on each
end ("log packets", creates packet.log file) and send them to:
kermit-support@columbia.edu
- Frank
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: aff <adfey@nutecnet.com.br> wrote:
: : I'm trying transfer files from my old pc 386 (run ms-dos kermit 3.15)
: : to my linux box (pentium 133 - c-kermit) but I get an problem.
: : The transfer files from linux to terminal is very ok but in the other
: : side the proccess don't work.
: : When I go to the terminal kermit (after type "receive"in the
: : c-kermit") and run "send xxxx.txt" the kermit say "can't open the
: : file". After the file in the dos system terminal stay locked.
Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: It sounds like you did not tell C-Kermit on Linux to "receive". To
Hmmm. He says he did a "receive".
Maybe he was too quick escaping back to the MSK prompt.
On a slow Unix system, perhaps the "KERMIT READY TO RECEIVE..." prompt
takes a moment to come up. Escaping back to MSK sends an XOFF, preventing
the message from appearing, and preventing the transfer from starting.
Or XOFF-configured modems causing the line to get in a funny state when the
XOFF is sent.
Or, maybe permissions in the Unix directory in question?
--
---
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- Pope Valley & Napa CA.
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I use Kermit 6.0.192 on Solaris 2.5 with a Supra FAXModem 288.
After logging out from a remote connection, the modem sends NO
CARRIER, and I Cntrl-\-c out, and quit Kermit. Quickly the TR (DTR)
light comes on on the modem. How can I:
1. Disconnect more cleanly
2. Turn off the TR light during the exiting.
-- George
/users/georgeb 245 % more .kermit
# Kermit initialization file by George
set prompt Susan-Kermit>
set quiet on
set line /dev/term/b ; Modem device
set modem type supra ; Is Supra FAXmodem 288
set modem hangup-method rs232-signal ; One of 2 options
set speed 38400 ; Supra is max 28,800
set parity none ; For binary files
set terminal bytesize 8
set file type binary ; To transfer binaries OK
set file name literal ; Preserve orignal name
set receive packet-length 2048 ; Size of one packet
set send packet-length 2048 ; Ditto, other way
set window 4 ; Send 4 packets before reply
set block-check 2 ; Set 2-char, 12-bit checksum
#
set dial retries 4
define dialit wait 1, dial \%1, xif success { echo , connect, stop, hangup }
define netcom do dialit 328-9940
/users/georgeb 246 % kermit
C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96, for Solaris 2.x
Susan-Kermit>set carrier off
Susan-Kermit>connect
OK
at&v
ACTIVE PROFILE:
B1 E1 L2 M1 N1 Q0 T V1 W0 X4 Y0 %C3 %E0 %G1 -K0 &C1 &D2 &K0 &Q5 &R1 &S0 &X0 &Y0
S00:000 S01:000 S02:043 S03:013 S04:010 S05:008 S06:002 S07:033 S08:002 S09:012
S10:014 S11:095 S12:050 S18:000 S23:063 S25:005 S26:001 S36:007 S37:000 S38:020
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Subject: Re: Don't transfer file from terminal (msk315) to server linux (c-kermit)
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dold@39.usenet.us.com wrote:
>: aff <adfey@nutecnet.com.br> wrote:
>: : I'm trying transfer files from my old pc 386 (run ms-dos kermit 3.15)
>: : to my linux box (pentium 133 - c-kermit) but I get an problem.
>: : The transfer files from linux to terminal is very ok but in the other
>: : side the proccess don't work.
>: : When I go to the terminal kermit (after type "receive"in the
>: : c-kermit") and run "send xxxx.txt" the kermit say "can't open the
>: : file". After the file in the dos system terminal stay locked.
>Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
>: It sounds like you did not tell C-Kermit on Linux to "receive". To
>Hmmm. He says he did a "receive".
>Maybe he was too quick escaping back to the MSK prompt.
>On a slow Unix system, perhaps the "KERMIT READY TO RECEIVE..." prompt
>takes a moment to come up. Escaping back to MSK sends an XOFF, preventing
>the message from appearing, and preventing the transfer from starting.
>Or XOFF-configured modems causing the line to get in a funny state when the
>XOFF is sent.
>Or, maybe permissions in the Unix directory in question?
>--
>---
>Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net
> - Pope Valley & Napa CA.
Hi Clarence You are right. My problem was the permission in the
directory in the c-kermit (linux box).
After change the permission all is fine
Thank very much
Ademar F. Fey
adfey@nutecnet.com.br
Brasil
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From: David Greeson <dgreeson@mindspring.com>
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Subject: Re: Transmit drops the last 10-14 characters
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Frank da Cruz wrote:
>
> In article <338498B1.41C6@raleigh.ibm.com>,
> David Greeson <dgreeson@raleigh.ibm.com> wrote:
> : I'm using C-Kermit's transmit command to transfer an
> : ascii file out of a serial port to an embedded uP. I'm
> : running Linux v1.2.29 and I don't remember the C-Kermit
> : version, but I down loaded the version two months ago.
> : I set the following items:
> :
> : set line /dev/cua0
> : set speed 19200
set speed 9600
> : set file type binary (so it will transfer a byte at a time)
> : set flow xon
> :
> : Then I set the uP to receive the ascii file and type crtl-\c
> : C-kermit> transmit foo.bar
> :
> : The uP receives the whole file except for the last 10-14
> : characters. The com port has a 16550A uart.
> :
> But what about the microprocessor? Does it have a buffered
> UART? Does it do flow control?
The uP is using XON/XOFF for flow control and has a 16 byte
rcv/xmit fifos. Using port diags on the uP, I do not see
the last 13 bytes of the file. Also the port has not
been overrun'd. I'm downloading s-records and each line
has a checksum which is verified.
>
> : I was wondering
> : if C-Kermit opened the device; transmitted the file; Then
> : closed the device before all the characters were transmitted?
> :
> That might have happened under 4.2BSD, but Linux is based on
> System V &/or POSIX, in which a close() call ensures that all
> pending output is flushed. If it's not doing that I think we have
> an OS or driver bug.
>
> But before jumping to conclusions, how do we know that Kermit did
> not send all the bytes? Have you put a data scope on the line?
>
After the transmit finished, I typed "c" to connect and I
could type one character and see that the uP port received
the character. Also, if I set the uart type on the PC to
16450 (setserial /dev/cua1 16450), only the last byte is
missing. I conclude that the missing bytes are not being
transmitted by the PC. But I do not know where the problem
is on the PC.
I'm assuming that I have missed a setup option in kermit,
not that kermit is broken. I'm using ckermit-6.0.192-7.i386.rpm
which I installed as root using "rpm -i ckermit ...". I've
seen this same problem on two of my new mobo (mtech R418 and
R526) which use different chip types for the uarts. On my
old 386-40MHz w/16450 uarts, I did not have this problem.
I assume it is also processor speed related. I just have
upgraded my pc to RedHat v4.2 and I'm using the 2.0.30 kernel.
I'm not sure what else to try or how to verify if its a kernel
problem.
David
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Subject: x86 solaris and modem speed
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Version C-Kermit 6.0.192, for Solaris 2.5.1 x86 - pretty slick!
Considering that making PPP work on this thing is a nightmare,
Kermit has definitely become a life saver!
However, a modem speed problem. I have a Hayes accura 288B, which
I assume translates to "hayes-high-speed" and then set the speed
to 115200, since the default is 9600. Everything on my side looks
good. But when I connect and attempt to download a file, the
connection speed is 9600! Is this a problem on the other side
(which is only running 5.0) or something I can change? Makes
downloading 3 MB files rather time consuming, even when I change
the packet length to 1024 instead of the default 90.
thanks
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From: Hong Hsu <honghsu@lucent.com>
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Subject: Can I launch netscape browser via kermit connection?
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I have a couple of simple question for Kermit 95 v1.1.11.
I have a PC running NT 4.0 and connected with a 28.8k modem at
home. I like to dial-up to an account at my office. The system of my
office running Solaris 2.5 operating system.
In order to file tranfer, do I need to install some software on
remote side? Assume Kermit 95 1.1.11 is installed on my PC.
After the connection, can I launch a netscape browser at home?
It seems Kermit 1.1.11 is more than just a TTY connection.
Thank you very much.
Hong e-mail honghsu@lucent.com
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Disconnect and [D]TR Problems
Date: 31 May 1997 18:09:49 GMT
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In article <georgebEB0LD3.9p0@netcom.com>,
George H. Bosworth <georgeb@netcom.com> wrote:
: I use Kermit 6.0.192 on Solaris 2.5 with a Supra FAXModem 288.
:
: After logging out from a remote connection, the modem sends NO
: CARRIER, and I Cntrl-\-c out, and quit Kermit. Quickly the TR (DTR)
: light comes on on the modem.
:
When you log out from the remote, it hangs up the phone. Your modem
sees the connection is hung up and reports NO CARRIER. It is also supposed
to turn off its CD signal so Solaris will know the connection is closed,
return an error to C-Kermit, so C-Kermit can pop back to its prompt
automatically.
: How can I:
:
: 1. Disconnect more cleanly
: 2. Turn off the TR light during the exiting.
:
The HANGUP command turns off DTR for a period of time (usually 1/2 second)
and then turns it back on. This is proper behavior. In this case, it doesn't
matter since the connection is already hung up.
: /users/georgeb 245 % more .kermit <-- You mean .kermrc?
: ... ^^^^^^^
: set quiet on
: set line /dev/term/b ; Modem device
: set modem type supra ; Is Supra FAXmodem 288
: set modem hangup-method rs232-signal ; One of 2 options
:
All your settings appear to be OK. In particular, you do not seem to have
given a SET CARRIER OFF command, which would have explained the behavior that
you report.
Modem settings:
: at&v
: ACTIVE PROFILE:
: B1 E1 L2 M1 N1 Q0 T V1 W0 X4 Y0 %C3 %E0 %G1 -K0 &C1 &D2 ...
: ^^^
This shows that the modem is correctly configured to turn off CD when carrier
is dropped.
So why isn't Kermit noticing when the call is disconnected? The most logical
explanation would be a nonstandard modem cable that loops DTR back to CD.
If that's not it, then I'm stumped. Solaris has System-V-like tty drivers,
which are supposed to return an error to the application when CD drops and
CLOCAL is not set -- which it is not (C-Kermit sets this while dialing, unsets
it after the call is completed). This is in contrast to SunOS, which is known
not to return an error when a call is hung up and so SunOS C-Kermit never pops
back to its prompt automatically on a serial connection.
I don't have access to a Solaris system that has a serial port connected to
a dialout modem, so I can't troubleshoot this one myself. Can anybody else
out there shed any additional light?
- Frank
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: x86 solaris and modem speed
Date: 31 May 1997 18:24:01 GMT
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In article <5mokcc$f6n$1@news1.rmi.net>, Blanche Cohen <blanche@rmi.net> wrote:
: Version C-Kermit 6.0.192, for Solaris 2.5.1 x86 - pretty slick!
: Considering that making PPP work on this thing is a nightmare,
: Kermit has definitely become a life saver!
:
: However, a modem speed problem. I have a Hayes accura 288B, which
: I assume translates to "hayes-high-speed" ...
:
Correct...
: .. and then set the speed to 115200, since the default is 9600.
: Everything on my side looks good. But when I connect and attempt to
: download a file, the connection speed is 9600!
:
So that means the two modems have negotiated a V.32 connection. It was
the best they could agree on, either because that is the highest protocol
supported by the remote modem, or the highest protocol the two modems had
in common, or because the line quality was bad. Or because your modem or
the other modem has been instructed to force a V.32 connection (C-Kermit
does not do this).
: Is this a problem on the other side
: (which is only running 5.0) or something I can change?
:
It has nothing to do with Kermit. Kermit configures the modem minimally
in order to make the call. The init string used is:
ATQ0X4N1Y0S37=0S82=128\015
^^ ^^^^^
N1 means "When originating, permit negotiation of a common communication
standard at the highest associated line speed supported by both modems.
Begin negotiations from the DCE line speed specified in S37..."
And S37=0 means "Speed of last AT command issued", in your case 115200.
So it seems almost certain that the dropdown in DCE speed is due to the
answering modem, or to the connection, but not due to C-Kermit or how you
are using it.
: Makes downloading 3 MB files rather time consuming, even when I change
: the packet length to 1024 instead of the default 90.
:
You can do a lot better than this. Read about how to optmize file transfer in
Chapter 12 of "Using C-Kermit", 2nd edition:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html
- Frank
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Can I launch netscape browser via kermit connection?
Date: 31 May 1997 18:28:22 GMT
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In article <33904E59.BA6@lucent.com>, Hong Hsu <honghsu@lucent.com> wrote:
: I have a couple of simple question for Kermit 95 v1.1.11.
:
: I have a PC running NT 4.0 and connected with a 28.8k modem at
: home. I like to dial-up to an account at my office. The system of my
: office running Solaris 2.5 operating system.
:
: In order to file tranfer, do I need to install some software on
: remote side? Assume Kermit 95 1.1.11 is installed on my PC.
:
You need the Solaris version of C-Kermit 6.0 on your system at work:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html
: After the connection, can I launch a netscape browser at home?
: It seems Kermit 1.1.11 is more than just a TTY connection.
:
Kermit 95 can be a serial communications program or a Telnet client. If
you only a have a direct modem connection to you host, then no, you can't
use Netscape or other TCP applications on this connection. If have made a
SLIP or PPP connection to your host using Windows 95 or NT dialup
networking (DUN or RAS), then you can use TCP applications like Netscape
on it AND you can use Kermit 95 as your Telnet client, and for that matter
as your Telnet application within Netscape.
Kermit 95 itself does not make SLIP or PPP connections, however; it only
uses one that you have already made with DUN or RAS. This is true of any
Windows 95 or NT TCP application.
- Frank
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <338FC0D6.69AAE64D@mindspring.com>,
David Greeson <dgreeson@mindspring.com> wrote:
(Discussing a problem using Linux C-Kermit to transmit bytes to a
microprocessor, but the last few bytes are always lost...)
: ....
: > : set file type binary (so it will transfer a byte at a time)
: > : set flow xon
: > :
: > : Then I set the uP to receive the ascii file and type crtl-\c
: > : C-kermit> transmit foo.bar
: > :
: > : The uP receives the whole file except for the last 10-14
: > : characters. The com port has a 16550A uart.
:
: The uP is using XON/XOFF for flow control and has a 16 byte
: rcv/xmit fifos. Using port diags on the uP, I do not see
: the last 13 bytes of the file. Also the port has not
: been overrun'd. I'm downloading s-records and each line
: has a checksum which is verified.
: ...
: After the transmit finished, I typed "c" to connect and I
: could type one character and see that the uP port received
: the character. Also, if I set the uart type on the PC to
: 16450 (setserial /dev/cua1 16450), only the last byte is
: missing.
:
This reinforces my theory about a device driver bug; the last
UART buffer's worth is not being flushed out when the device is
closed.
: I'm not sure what else to try or how to verify if its a kernel
: problem.
:
Get the Kermit source code:
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cku192.tar.gz
uncompress, untar. Edit the file ckutio.c. Find the ttres() routine
(the one that restores the modes and settings of the tty device prior to
closing it). A few lines from the top of this routine:
#ifdef NETCONN
if (netconn) return (0); /* Network connection, do nothing */
#endif /* NETCONN */
sleep(1); /* <--- Add this line */
Save the file, then "make linux". Try your application again. Does it work?
If so, this means means that tcsetattr() destroys any pending output, which
I would call a bug.
If this change did not fix your application, then look for the ttclos()
routine in the same source file (ckutio.c). A few lines from the top of
ttclos():
if (ttfdflg) /* If we inherited ttyfd from */
return(0); /* another process, don't close it. */
sleep(1); /* <--- Add this line */
Save the file, "make linux" again, repeat the experiment. If this change
fixes the problem, it means that close() does not wait for output to drain,
which I also would consider a bug.
Please let me know what you find.
- Frank
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I'm looking for kermit for Windows 3.1 or NT......
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In article <5msg4d$67c$1@nnrp1.crl.com>, Etop Udoh <eudoh@crl2.crl.com> wrote:
: I'm looking for kermit for Windows 3.1:
:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html
: or NT......
:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html
- Frank
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From: Bruce Cook <BC3-AU@bigfoot.com>
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Subject: Re: Can I launch netscape browser via kermit connection?
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Hong Hsu <honghsu@lucent.com> writes:
> I have a couple of simple question for Kermit 95 v1.1.11.
>
> I have a PC running NT 4.0 and connected with a 28.8k modem at
> home. I like to dial-up to an account at my office. The system of my
> office running Solaris 2.5 operating system.
>
> In order to file tranfer, do I need to install some software on
> remote side? Assume Kermit 95 1.1.11 is installed on my PC.
>
> After the connection, can I launch a netscape browser at home?
> It seems Kermit 1.1.11 is more than just a TTY connection.
Kermit does not impliment a TCP/IP protocol link however, and therefore
you can't use TCP applications on your computer to talk over a kermit link.
One thing that would give you browsing, and download facilities, would be
to set lynx up on the SUN, with kermit enabled. You could browse the net
using the sun Lynx, and download files straight to your kermit on your PC.
Otherwise, work out how to set up a PPP link.
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Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> writes:
> #ifdef NETCONN
> if (netconn) return (0); /* Network connection, do nothing */
> #endif /* NETCONN */
> sleep(1); /* <--- Add this line */
I don't know if it's possible in Unix/Linux but in the RT-11 (PDP-11)
Kermit I used a write with a completion routine for this - the write
gets queued then when it's actually done the completion routine (in
the os) executes and clears a wait flag after which the device can be
closed or the program can proceed elsewhere.
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We are currently using Kermit 3.13 as a direct connect to our SCO box. We
want an NT 4.0 network but still need to access the SCO box. Can 3.13 be
reconfigured to work over an ethernet connection and if so how? Thank
you. I don't believe there is a network card in the SCO box.
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In article <19970602213000.RAA27439@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
Newgoddess <newgoddess@aol.com> wrote:
: We are currently using Kermit 3.13 as a direct connect to our SCO box. We
: want an NT 4.0 network but still need to access the SCO box. Can 3.13 be
: reconfigured to work over an ethernet connection and if so how? Thank
: you. I don't believe there is a network card in the SCO box.
:
For Windows 95 or NT, you need to use Kermit 95:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html
It is a fully native 32-bit Windows 95 and NT application that uses 32-bit
Winsock to make TCP/IP (Telnet and Rlogin) connections.
- Frank
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From: "Leif Arildsen" <lar@activ.dk>
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Does anyone know, if there is a way to stop k95's flipping
from terminal screen to command screen and back, when
executing apc calls.
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <01bc6ff5$3c62a660$5a4958c1@ailarhj>,
Leif Arildsen <lar@activ.dk> wrote:
: Does anyone know, if there is a way to stop k95's flipping
: from terminal screen to command screen and back, when
: executing apc calls.
:
There is no way in the current version, because the Command
Screen and the Terminal screen share the same window. An APC
enters the command parser, and thus the Command screen. In
the forthcoming GUI release these will be two separate windows
with no flipping.
If you are using APC only for file transfer, there are other
methods available that do not flip.
- Frank
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My "regular" ISP (which I think I will drop, real soon) hasn't
forwarded mail outside its own box for almost a week. So I post
it here...if a duplicate shows up later, sorry.
Version C-Kermit 6.0.192, for Solaris 2.5.1 x86 - pretty slick!
Considering that making PPP work on this thing is a nightmare,
Kermit has definitely become a life saver!
However, a modem speed problem. I have a Hayes accura 288B, which
I assume translates to "hayes-high-speed" and then set the speed
to 115200, since the default is 9600. Everything on my side looks
good. But when I connect and attempt to download a file, the
connection speed is 9600! Is this a problem on the other side
(which is only running 5.0) or something I can change? Makes
downloading 3 MB files rather time consuming, even when I change
the packet length to 1024 instead of the default 90.
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From: billy@mix.com
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Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> writes:
> #ifdef NETCONN
> if (netconn) return (0); /* Network connection, do nothing */
> #endif /* NETCONN */
> sleep(1); /* <--- Add this line */
I don't know if it's possible in Unix/Linux but in the RT-11 (PDP-11)
Kermit I used a write with a completion routine for this - the write
gets queued then when it's actually done the completion routine (in
the os) executes and clears a wait flag after which the device can be
closed or the program can proceed elsewhere.
Billy Y..
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <338FC0D6.69AAE64D@mindspring.com>,
David Greeson <dgreeson@mindspring.com> wrote:
(Discussing a problem using Linux C-Kermit to transmit bytes to a
microprocessor, but the last few bytes are always lost...)
: ....
: > : set file type binary (so it will transfer a byte at a time)
: > : set flow xon
: > :
: > : Then I set the uP to receive the ascii file and type crtl-\c
: > : C-kermit> transmit foo.bar
: > :
: > : The uP receives the whole file except for the last 10-14
: > : characters. The com port has a 16550A uart.
:
: The uP is using XON/XOFF for flow control and has a 16 byte
: rcv/xmit fifos. Using port diags on the uP, I do not see
: the last 13 bytes of the file. Also the port has not
: been overrun'd. I'm downloading s-records and each line
: has a checksum which is verified.
: ...
: After the transmit finished, I typed "c" to connect and I
: could type one character and see that the uP port received
: the character. Also, if I set the uart type on the PC to
: 16450 (setserial /dev/cua1 16450), only the last byte is
: missing.
:
This reinforces my theory about a device driver bug; the last
UART buffer's worth is not being flushed out when the device is
closed.
: I'm not sure what else to try or how to verify if its a kernel
: problem.
:
Get the Kermit source code:
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cku192.tar.gz
uncompress, untar. Edit the file ckutio.c. Find the ttres() routine
(the one that restores the modes and settings of the tty device prior to
closing it). A few lines from the top of this routine:
#ifdef NETCONN
if (netconn) return (0); /* Network connection, do nothing */
#endif /* NETCONN */
sleep(1); /* <--- Add this line */
Save the file, then "make linux". Try your application again. Does it work?
If so, this means means that tcsetattr() destroys any pending output, which
I would call a bug.
If this change did not fix your application, then look for the ttclos()
routine in the same source file (ckutio.c). A few lines from the top of
ttclos():
if (ttfdflg) /* If we inherited ttyfd from */
return(0); /* another process, don't close it. */
sleep(1); /* <--- Add this line */
Save the file, "make linux" again, repeat the experiment. If this change
fixes the problem, it means that close() does not wait for output to drain,
which I also would consider a bug.
Please let me know what you find.
- Frank
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From: kwong@ncs.nova.edu (James Kwong)
Subject: Upload file attributes problem (bug)???
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HELP!
Problem:
--------
Using Kermit Protocol in Hyperterminal (v1.1 or v3.0, NT4.0 WkSt SvcPk3) to
upload a PC file created on 6/1/2038 to a UNIX machine (Solaris 2.4, Ckermit
v6.0) will create a file dated 2/1/1970.
(To duplicate the problem, simply use the 'date' command to set your PC
date, create a file and then upload it.)
However, using Kermit Protocol in MS-DOS Kermit (v3.14, DOS 6.22) to upload
a file created on 6/1/2038 to the same Solaris 2.4 machine has no problem.
The file will create with the current date, which is 6/1/1997.
Questions:
----------
Could this be a problem with the Hyperterminal implementation of the Kermit
protocol ?
Is there a way to solve this problem on the ckermit 6.0 side ?
If so, can anybody help or give me some directions where or which source file
to look at?
For me, I can simply touch the file after I upload, but that may not be
acceptable by some end-users who do not check their PC clock date but
blame it on Kermit.
At the end of this post, I have included the output of the 'stat' command
on the two files and the debug log on the two files when I upload. Hope
that helps.
-- James.
Following is the stat command on the two files:
(Pay attention to the second last line, i.e. Modify date)
File: "hyp30.txt"
Size: 18 Allocated Blocks: 8 Filetype: Regular File
Mode: (0600/-rw-------) Uid: (10728/ kwong) Gid: ( 10/ staff)
Device: 0,0 Inode: 275 Links: 1
Access: Sun Jun 1 17:07:02 1997(00000.00:03:50)
Modify: Sun Feb 1 00:00:07 1970(09982.16:10:45)
Change: Sun Jun 1 16:53:13 1997(00000.00:17:39)
File: "km314.txt"
Size: 17 Allocated Blocks: 8 Filetype: Regular File
Mode: (0600/-rw-------) Uid: (10728/ kwong) Gid: ( 10/ staff)
Device: 0,0 Inode: 230 Links: 1
Access: Sun Jun 1 16:40:34 1997(00000.00:31:05)
Modify: Sun Jun 1 16:40:34 1997(00000.00:31:05)
Change: Sun Jun 1 16:40:34 1997(00000.00:31:05)
Debug logs for Hyperterminal and MS-DOS Kermit:
(If you don't want to look thru the whole log file, search for the word
'Attributes', I think that is where the necessary information begins.)
--------------------- HYPERTERMINAL DEBUG LOG START HERE ---------------------
Debug Log [C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96]
Solaris 2.x
ztime: ATTSV[Sun Jun 1 16:53:04 1997
]
Sun Jun 1 16:53:04 1997
prescan arg:i
prescan arg:r
prescan arg:a
sysinit calling priv_ini
sysinit jchdlr: SIG_DFL
ATTSV conbgt process group=5059
non-POSIX conbgt terminal process group=5059
conbgt process group test=0
SVR4ORPOSIX jc test...
sysconf(_SC_JOB_CONTROL)[jc]=1
conbgt jc=1
conbgt jcshell=1
conbgt isatty test=1
conbgt backgrd=0
congm getting modes
fxdinit fdispla=2
fxdinit tgetent[vt100]=1
connoi
getiobs ok
ttgspd ttyfd=-1
ttgspd cfgetospeed 1 ATTSV=15
ttgspd code=15
ttgspd speed=38400
inibufs s=90500
inibufs r=90500
inibufs size 1=181040
inibufs size z=181040
inibufs size 2=181040
inibufs bigsbsiz=90515
inibufs bigrbsiz=90515
prescan arg:p
prescan arg:d
prescan arg:i
prescan arg:r
prescan arg:a
main argc after prescan()=7
ATTSV conbgt process group=5059
non-POSIX conbgt terminal process group=5059
conbgt process group test=0
SVR4ORPOSIX jc test...
sysconf(_SC_JOB_CONTROL)[jc]=1
conbgt jc=1
conbgt jcshell=1
conbgt isatty test=1
conbgt backgrd=0
conint backgrd=0
conint jc=1
conint foreground catching signals, jc=1
conint SIGSTSTP=472048
addmac nam[ibm-linemode]=12
addmac def[set parity mark, set dupl half, set handsh xon, set flow none]=61
addmac macro def[ibm-linemode]
addmac table size[ibm-linemode]=0
addmac position[ibm-linemode]=0
addmac nam[fatal]=5
addmac def[if def \%1 echo \%1, if not = \v(local) 0 hangup, stop 1]=56
addmac macro def[fatal]
addmac table size[fatal]=1
addmac position[fatal]=0
addmac nam[fast]=4
addmac def[set win 20, set rec pack 4096, set prefix minimal]=49
addmac macro def[fast]
addmac table size[fast]=2
addmac position[fast]=0
addmac nam[cautious]=8
addmac def[set win 4, set rec pack 1000, set prefixing cautious]=52
addmac macro def[cautious]
addmac table size[cautious]=3
addmac position[cautious]=0
addmac nam[robust]=6
addmac def[set win 1, set rec pack 90, set prefixing all]=45
addmac macro def[robust]
addmac table size[robust]=4
addmac position[robust]=4
addmmac line[_assign _for\v(cmdlevel) { _getargs,]=36
addmmac line[define \\\%1 \feval(\%2),:_..top,if \%5 \\\%1 \%3 goto _..bot,]=62
addmmac line[\%6,:_..inc,incr \\\%1 \%4,goto _..top,:_..bot,_putargs},]=57
addmmac line[def break goto _..bot, def continue goto _..inc,]=48
addmmac line[do _for\v(cmdlevel) \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 { \%5 },_assign _for\v(cmdlevel)]=68
addmmac lines=5
addmmac loop exit=0
addmmac length[_forx]=271
addmmac constructed string[_assign _for\v(cmdlevel) { _getargs,define \\\%1 \feval(\%2),:_..top,if \%5 \\\%1 \%3 goto _..bot,\%6,:_..inc,incr \\\%1 \%4,goto _..top,:_..bot,_putargs},def break goto _..bot, def continue goto _..inc,do _for\v(cmdlevel) \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 { \%5 },_assign _for\v(cmdlevel)]=271
addmac nam[_forx]=5
addmac def[_assign _for\v(cmdlevel) { _getargs,define \\\%1 \feval(\%2),:_..top,if \%5 \\\%1 \%3 goto _..bot,\%6,:_..inc,incr \\\%1 \%4,goto _..top,:_..bot,_putargs},def break goto _..bot, def continue goto _..inc,do _for\v(cmdlevel) \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 { \%5 },_assign _for\v(cmdlevel)]=271
addmac macro def[_forx]
addmac table size[_forx]=5
addmac position[_forx]=0
addmmac line[_assign _if\v(cmdlevel) {_getargs,\%1,_putargs},]=48
addmmac line[do _if\v(cmdlevel),_assign _if\v(cmdlevel)]=42
addmmac lines=2
addmmac loop exit=0
addmmac length[_xif]=90
addmmac constructed string[_assign _if\v(cmdlevel) {_getargs,\%1,_putargs},do _if\v(cmdlevel),_assign _if\v(cmdlevel)]=90
addmac nam[_xif]=4
addmac def[_assign _if\v(cmdlevel) {_getargs,\%1,_putargs},do _if\v(cmdlevel),_assign _if\v(cmdlevel)]=90
addmac macro def[_xif]
addmac table size[_xif]=6
addmac position[_xif]=1
addmmac line[_assign _whi\v(cmdlevel) {_getargs,]=35
addmmac line[:_..inc,\%1,\%2,goto _..inc,:_..bot,_putargs},]=46
addmmac line[_def break goto _..bot, _def continue goto _..inc,]=50
addmmac line[do _whi\v(cmdlevel),_assign _whi\v(cmdlevel)]=44
addmmac lines=4
addmmac loop exit=0
addmmac length[_while]=175
addmmac constructed string[_assign _whi\v(cmdlevel) {_getargs,:_..inc,\%1,\%2,goto _..inc,:_..bot,_putargs},_def break goto _..bot, _def continue goto _..inc,do _whi\v(cmdlevel),_assign _whi\v(cmdlevel)]=175
addmac nam[_while]=6
addmac def[_assign _whi\v(cmdlevel) {_getargs,:_..inc,\%1,\%2,goto _..inc,:_..bot,_putargs},_def break goto _..bot, _def continue goto _..inc,do _whi\v(cmdlevel),_assign _whi\v(cmdlevel)]=175
addmac macro def[_while]
addmac table size[_while]=7
addmac position[_while]=1
addmmac line[_assign _sw_\v(cmdlevel) {_getargs,]=35
addmmac line[_forward \%1,\%2,:_..bot,_putargs},_def break goto _..bot,]=58
addmmac line[do _sw_\v(cmdlevel),_assign _sw_\v(cmdlevel)]=44
addmmac lines=3
addmmac loop exit=0
addmmac length[_switx]=137
addmmac constructed string[_assign _sw_\v(cmdlevel) {_getargs,_forward \%1,\%2,:_..bot,_putargs},_def break goto _..bot,do _sw_\v(cmdlevel),_assign _sw_\v(cmdlevel)]=137
addmac nam[_switx]=6
addmac def[_assign _sw_\v(cmdlevel) {_getargs,_forward \%1,\%2,:_..bot,_putargs},_def break goto _..bot,do _sw_\v(cmdlevel),_assign _sw_\v(cmdlevel)]=137
addmac macro def[_switx]
addmac table size[_switx]=8
addmac position[_switx]=1
xxstring[10]=2
chknum[10]
addmac nam[\&_[0]]=6
addmac def[(null pointer)]=0
xxstring[0]=1
chknum[0]
delmac nam[&_[0]]
xxstring[0]=1
chknum[0]
delmac def[(null pointer)]
delmac mlook[&_[0]]=-1
addmac nam[\&_[1]]=6
addmac def[(null pointer)]=0
xxstring[1]=1
chknum[1]
delmac nam[&_[1]]
xxstring[1]=1
chknum[1]
delmac def[(null pointer)]
delmac mlook[&_[1]]=-1
addmac nam[\&_[2]]=6
addmac def[(null pointer)]=0
xxstring[2]=1
chknum[2]
delmac nam[&_[2]]
xxstring[2]=1
chknum[2]
delmac def[(null pointer)]
delmac mlook[&_[2]]=-1
addmac nam[\&_[3]]=6
addmac def[(null pointer)]=0
xxstring[3]=1
chknum[3]
delmac nam[&_[3]]
xxstring[3]=1
chknum[3]
delmac def[(null pointer)]
delmac mlook[&_[3]]=-1
addmac nam[\&_[4]]=6
addmac def[(null pointer)]=0
xxstring[4]=1
chknum[4]
delmac nam[&_[4]]
xxstring[4]=1
chknum[4]
delmac def[(null pointer)]
delmac mlook[&_[4]]=-1
addmac nam[\&_[5]]=6
addmac def[(null pointer)]=0
xxstring[5]=1
chknum[5]
delmac nam[&_[5]]
xxstring[5]=1
chknum[5]
delmac def[(null pointer)]
delmac mlook[&_[5]]=-1
addmac nam[\&_[6]]=6
addmac def[(null pointer)]=0
xxstring[6]=1
chknum[6]
delmac nam[&_[6]]
xxstring[6]=1
chknum[6]
delmac def[(null pointer)]
delmac mlook[&_[6]]=-1
addmac nam[\&_[7]]=6
addmac def[(null pointer)]=0
xxstring[7]=1
chknum[7]
delmac nam[&_[7]]
xxstring[7]=1
chknum[7]
delmac def[(null pointer)]
delmac mlook[&_[7]]=-1
addmac nam[\&_[8]]=6
addmac def[(null pointer)]=0
xxstring[8]=1
chknum[8]
delmac nam[&_[8]]
xxstring[8]=1
chknum[8]
delmac def[(null pointer)]
delmac mlook[&_[8]]=-1
addmac nam[\&_[9]]=6
addmac def[(null pointer)]=0
xxstring[9]=1
chknum[9]
delmac nam[&_[9]]
xxstring[9]=1
chknum[9]
delmac def[(null pointer)]
delmac mlook[&_[9]]=-1
xxstring[7]=1
chknum[7]
addmac nam[\&@[0]]=6
addmac def[wermit]=6
xxstring[0]=1
chknum[0]
delmac nam[&@[0]]
xxstring[0]=1
chknum[0]
delmac def[(null pointer)]
delmac mlook[&@[0]]=-1
addmac nam[\&@[1]]=6
addmac def[-p]=2
xxstring[1]=1
chknum[1]
delmac nam[&@[1]]
xxstring[1]=1
chknum[1]
delmac def[(null pointer)]
delmac mlook[&@[1]]=-1
addmac nam[\&@[2]]=6
addmac def[n]=1
xxstring[2]=1
chknum[2]
delmac nam[&@[2]]
xxstring[2]=1
chknum[2]
delmac def[(null pointer)]
delmac mlook[&@[2]]=-1
addmac nam[\&@[3]]=6
addmac def[-d]=2
xxstring[3]=1
chknum[3]
delmac nam[&@[3]]
xxstring[3]=1
chknum[3]
delmac def[(null pointer)]
delmac mlook[&@[3]]=-1
addmac nam[\&@[4]]=6
addmac def[-ir]=3
xxstring[4]=1
chknum[4]
delmac nam[&@[4]]
xxstring[4]=1
chknum[4]
delmac def[(null pointer)]
delmac mlook[&@[4]]=-1
addmac nam[\&@[5]]=6
addmac def[-a]=2
xxstring[5]=1
chknum[5]
delmac nam[&@[5]]
xxstring[5]=1
chknum[5]
delmac def[(null pointer)]
delmac mlook[&@[5]]=-1
addmac nam[\&@[6]]=6
addmac def[hyp30.txt]=9
xxstring[6]=1
chknum[6]
delmac nam[&@[6]]
xxstring[6]=1
chknum[6]
delmac def[(null pointer)]
delmac mlook[&@[6]]=-1
ini file is[/home/kwong/.kermrc]
main executing init file=-1
main exits init file=-1
main 2 cfilef=0
main argc=7
cmdlin[wermit]=7
cmdlin cfilef=0
xargv[-p]=6
doarg entry[p]=6
doarg arg:p
xargv[-d]=4
doarg entry[d]=4
doarg arg:d
xargv[-ir]=3
doarg entry[ir]=3
doarg arg:i
doarg arg:r
xargv[-a]=2
doarg entry[a]=2
doarg arg:a
action=118
isdir stat[hyp30.txt]=-1
isdir errno=2
length=9
isdir stat[hyp30.txt]=-1
isdir errno=2
i=0
zchko access ok:[.]=0
ATTSV conbgt process group=5059
non-POSIX conbgt terminal process group=5059
conbgt process group test=0
SVR4ORPOSIX jc test...
sysconf(_SC_JOB_CONTROL)[jc]=1
conbgt jc=1
conbgt jcshell=1
conbgt isatty test=1
conbgt backgrd=0
conint backgrd=0
conint jc=1
conint foreground catching signals, jc=1
conint SIGSTSTP=472048
xxproto entry justone=0
ttopen telnetfd=0
ttopen entry modem[/dev/tty]=0
ttyfd=-1
lcl=-1
ttopen MAXNAMLEN defined
ttopen BSD4 *NOT* defined
ttopen BSD42 *NOT* defined
ttopen MYREAD defined
ttopen fdflag=0
ttopen ttyfd[/dev/tty]=4
ttname=CTTNAM[/dev/tty]=0
ttopen setting ttyfd = 0
ttopen ioctl TCGETA ttold.c_lflag=35387
ttgspd ttyfd=0
ttgspd cfgetospeed 2 ATTSV=15
ttgspd code=15
ttgspd speed=38400
ttopen ttspeed=38400
ttopen, ttyfd=0
lcl=0
lock file[]=0
proto ttopen local[/dev/tty]=0
ttpkt parity=0
ttpkt xflow=1
ttpkt speed=-1
ttpkt ttpmsk=255
ttpkt netconn=0
tthflow ATTSV RTS/CTS OFF
tthflow ATTSV RTSXOFF OFF=-1
tthflow ATTSV DTR/CD OFF
tthflow ATTSV DTRXOFF OFF=-1
connoi
resetc fsize=-1
proto calling wart, justone=0
input sstate=118
nakstate=0
sndtyp:^@
tinit bestlen=0
tinit setting justone=0
tinit tcharset=0
tinit fcharset=0
chktimo timo=8
chktimo flag=0
chktimo spmax=90
chktimo urpsiz=90
ttgspd ttyfd=0
ttgspd cfgetospeed 2 ATTSV=15
ttgspd code=15
ttgspd speed=38400
chktimo plen=90
makebuf=1
makebuf bufsiz=90515
makebuf MAXWS=32
mksbuf makebuf return=90515
getsbuf, packet=0
getsbuf, sbufnum=1
tinit getsbuf=0
SEND BUFFERS:
buffer inuse address length data type seq flag retries
0 1 131576090515 0 0 0
[(null pointer)]
free: 0, winlo: 0
makebuf=1
makebuf bufsiz=90515
makebuf MAXWS=32
mkrbuf makebuf return=90515
input sstate=0
nakstate=1
sndtyp:^@
entering rpack, pktnum=0
getrbuf rbufnum=1
getrbuf wslots=1
getrbuf dum002=4321
getrbuf dum003=1111
getrbuf new rbufnum=0
rpack getrbuf=0
ttinl max=90514
ttinl timo=8
ttinl alarm=0
ttinl start:^A
ttinl eol=13
SVORPOSIX myfillbuf=16
myfillbuf read=16
ttinl length=13
ttinl EOP length=13
ttinl i=15
parchk n=15
parchk start=1
ttinl got[- S~% @-#Y1~(C]=15
rpack bctl=1
rpack chklen=1
rpack block check OK=0
gtimer=8
input recv[~% @-#Y1~(]=83
RECEIVE BUFFERS:
buffer inuse address length data type seq flag retries
0 1 140628090515 0 S 0 0
[- S~% @-#Y1~(]
free: 0, winlo: 0
input rsn=winlo=0
input about to flush
ttflui netflui
ttflui ttyfd=0
ttflui ATTSV
input returning type:S
ztime: ATTSV[Sun Jun 1 16:53:12 1997
]
entering spar[~% @-#Y1~(]
chktimo timo=5
chktimo flag=0
chktimo spmax=94
chktimo urpsiz=90
ttgspd ttyfd=0
ttgspd cfgetospeed 2 ATTSV=15
ttgspd code=15
ttgspd speed=38400
chktimo plen=94
spar 8bq rq:Y
spar 8bq sq:Y
spar 8bq ebq:&
spar 8bq rqf=1
spar capas=8
spar lscapu=0
spar lscapr=1
spar ebqflg=0
spar swcapr=1
spar swcapu=0
spar lscapu=0
spar y=10
spar lpcapu=0
spar slow-start spsiz=94
spar lp spmax=94
chktimo timo=5
chktimo flag=0
chktimo spmax=94
chktimo urpsiz=90
ttgspd ttyfd=0
ttgspd cfgetospeed 2 ATTSV=15
ttgspd code=15
ttgspd speed=38400
chktimo plen=94
spar window=8
spar no windows=1
spar: data[~% @-#Y1~(]=10
spsiz =94
timint=5
npad =0
padch =0
seol =13
ctlq =35
ebq =38
ebqflg=0
bctr =1
rptq =126
rptflg=1
lscapu=0
atcapu=1
lpcapu=0
swcapu=0
wslotn=1
whatru=0
chktimo timo=15
chktimo flag=0
chktimo spmax=94
chktimo urpsiz=90
ttgspd ttyfd=0
ttgspd cfgetospeed 2 ATTSV=15
ttgspd code=15
ttgspd speed=38400
chktimo plen=94
rpar 8bq sq:Y
rpar 8bq ebq:&
rpar[z/ @-#Y1~^! z0___F"U1]
rpar: data[z/ @-#Y1~^! z0___F"U1]=21
rpsiz =90
rtimo =8
mypadn=0
mypadc=0
eol =13
ctlq =35
sq =89
ebq =38
ebqflg=0
bctr =1
rptq =126
rptflg=1
capas =9
bits =94
lscapu=0
atcapu=1
lpcapu=0
swcapu=0
wslotr=1
rpsiz(extended)=90
ack1[z/ @-#Y1~^! z0___F"U1]
ackns[z/ @-#Y1~^! z0___F"U1]=0
ackns k=0
freesbuf=0
getsbuf, packet=0
getsbuf, sbufnum=1
spack n=0
spack data[]=1315767
spack len=21
mydata=1315763
sseqtbl[n]=0
gtimer=8
ttol n=27
ttol s[8 Yz/ @-#Y1~^! z0___F"U1G
ttol try=1
ttol ok=27
spack ttol returns=27
SEND BUFFERS:
buffer inuse address length data type seq flag retries
0 1 131576090515 27 Y 0 0
[8 Yz/ @-#Y1~^! z0___F"U1G
free: 0, winlo: 0
spack about to call screen
with mydata=[8 Yz/ @-#Y1~^! z0___F"U1G
ackns winlo=0
ackns n=0
freerbuf, slot=0
freerbuf, packet=0
freerbuf, new rbufnum=1
freesbuf=0
resetc fsize=-1
input sstate=0
nakstate=1
sndtyp:Y
entering rpack, pktnum=0
getrbuf rbufnum=1
getrbuf wslots=1
getrbuf dum002=4321
getrbuf dum003=1111
getrbuf new rbufnum=0
rpack getrbuf=0
ttinl max=90514
ttinl timo=8
ttinl alarm=0
ttinl start:^A
ttinl eol=13
SVORPOSIX myfillbuf=11
myfillbuf read=11
ttinl length=8
ttinl EOP length=8
ttinl i=10
ttinl got[(!Ftest2#]=10
rpack bctl=1
rpack chklen=1
rpack block check OK=1
gtimer=0
input recv[test2]=70
RECEIVE BUFFERS:
buffer inuse address length data type seq flag retries
0 1 140628090515 0 F 1 0
[(!Ftest2]
free: 0, winlo: 1
input rsn=winlo=1
input about to flush
ttflui netflui
ttflui ttyfd=0
ttflui ATTSV
input returning type:F
rcvfil[test2]
rcvfil cmarg2[hyp30.txt]
rcvfil substituting cmarg2[hyp30.txt]
zstrip before[hyp30.txt]
zstrip after tilde-stripping[hyp30.txt]
zstrip after[hyp30.txt]
rcvfil zstrip[hyp30.txt]
zrtol original name=1225056
zrtol new name[hyp30.txt]
rcvfil as[hyp30.txt]
isdir stat[hyp30.txt]=-1
isdir errno=2
rcvfil dirflg=0
zchki stat fails[hyp30.txt]=2
rcvfil ofn1x=0
rcvfil ofn1[hyp30.txt]
rcvfil ofn2[(NULL)]
rcvfil: n[hyp30.txt]
gtimer=0
isabsolute[hyp30.txt]=9
isabsolute returns[]=0
zgtdir CWDBL=1024
getpkt fmask=255
getpkt new rt=47
getpkt eof/eot[/tmp/test/hyp30.txt]=19
encstr fits OK, size=19
ack1[/tmp/test/hyp30.txt]
ackns[/tmp/test/hyp30.txt]=1
ackns k=0
freesbuf=1
sseqtbl[n]=-1
getsbuf, packet=1
getsbuf, sbufnum=1
spack n=1
spack data[/tmp/test/hyp30.txt]=1315767
spack len=19
mydata=1315763
sseqtbl[n]=0
gtimer=0
ttol n=25
ttol s[6!Y/tmp/test/hyp30.txt2
ttol try=1
ttol ok=25
spack ttol returns=25
SEND BUFFERS:
buffer inuse address length data type seq flag retries
0 1 131576090515 25 Y 1 0
[6!Y/tmp/test/hyp30.txt2
free: 0, winlo: 1
spack about to call screen
with mydata=[6!Y/tmp/test/hyp30.txt2
ackns winlo=1
ackns n=1
freerbuf, slot=0
freerbuf, packet=1
freerbuf, new rbufnum=1
freesbuf=1
window=1
makebuf=1
makebuf bufsiz=90515
makebuf MAXWS=32
mksbuf makebuf return=90515
makebuf=1
makebuf bufsiz=90515
makebuf MAXWS=32
mkrbuf makebuf return=90515
SEND BUFFERS:
buffer inuse address length data type seq flag retries
0 0 131576090515 0 -1 0
[6!Y/tmp/test/hyp30.txt2
free: 1, winlo: 2
RECEIVE BUFFERS:
buffer inuse address length data type seq flag retries
0 0 140628090515 0 -1 0
[]
free: 1, winlo: 2
input sstate=0
nakstate=1
sndtyp:Y
entering rpack, pktnum=0
getrbuf rbufnum=1
getrbuf wslots=1
getrbuf dum002=4321
getrbuf dum003=1111
getrbuf new rbufnum=0
rpack getrbuf=0
ttinl max=90514
ttinl timo=5
ttinl alarm=0
ttinl start:^A
ttinl eol=13
SVORPOSIX myfillbuf=36
myfillbuf read=36
ttinl length=33
ttinl EOP length=33
ttinl i=35
ttinl got[A"A!!01"18#119700201 00:00:07."U83]=35
rpack bctl=1
rpack chklen=1
rpack block check OK=2
gtimer=0
input recv[!!01"18#119700201 00:00:07."U8]=65
RECEIVE BUFFERS:
buffer inuse address length data type seq flag retries
0 1 140628090515 0 A 2 0
[A"A!!01"18#119700201 00:00:07."U8]
free: 0, winlo: 2
input rsn=winlo=2
input about to flush
ttflui netflui
ttflui ttyfd=0
ttflui ATTSV
input returning type:A
gattr length[18]=18
gattr fsize[18]
gattr return[]=0
ack1[]
ackns[]=2
ackns k=0
freesbuf=2
sseqtbl[n]=-1
getsbuf, packet=2
getsbuf, sbufnum=1
spack n=2
spack data[/tmp/test/hyp30.txt2
spack len=0
mydata=1315763
sseqtbl[n]=0
gtimer=0
ttol n=6
ttol s[#"Y@
ttol try=1
ttol ok=6
spack ttol returns=6
SEND BUFFERS:
buffer inuse address length data type seq flag retries
0 1 131576090515 6 Y 2 0
[#"Y@
free: 0, winlo: 2
spack about to call screen
with mydata=[#"Y@
ackns winlo=2
ackns n=2
freerbuf, slot=0
freerbuf, packet=2
freerbuf, new rbufnum=1
freesbuf=2
input sstate=0
nakstate=1
sndtyp:Y
entering rpack, pktnum=0
getrbuf rbufnum=1
getrbuf wslots=1
getrbuf dum002=4321
getrbuf dum003=1111
getrbuf new rbufnum=0
rpack getrbuf=0
ttinl max=90514
ttinl timo=5
ttinl alarm=0
ttinl start:^A
ttinl eol=13
SVORPOSIX myfillbuf=26
myfillbuf read=26
ttinl length=23
ttinl EOP length=23
ttinl i=25
ttinl got[7#D"date 6/1/2038" #M#JO]=25
rpack bctl=1
rpack chklen=1
rpack block check OK=3
gtimer=1
input recv["date 6/1/2038" #M#J]=68
RECEIVE BUFFERS:
buffer inuse address length data type seq flag retries
0 1 140628090515 0 D 3 0
[7#D"date 6/1/2038" #M#J]
free: 0, winlo: 3
input rsn=winlo=3
input about to flush
ttflui netflui
ttflui ttyfd=0
ttflui ATTSV
input returning type:D
opena f[hyp30.txt]
opena discard=0
Attributes for incoming file [hyp30.txt]
length in K=0
file type[]=0
creation date[19700201 00:00:07]=17
creator[]=0
account[]=0
area[]=0
password[]=0
blksize=-1
access[]=0
encoding[]=0
disposition[]=0
lprotection[]=0
gprotection[]=0
systemid[U8]=2
recfm[]=0
sysparam[]=0
length=18
reply[]
opena xflg=0
opena remfile=0
opena remappd=0
opena disp=0
opena dispos=0
opena [file]=mode: [hyp30.txt]=0
openo: name[hyp30.txt]
zopeno[hyp30.txt]=3
zopeno fcb disp=0
zopeno fcb type=1
zopeno fcb char=0
zopeno[hyp30.txt]=3
zopeno fopen arg[w]
zopeno ok
openo ok, name[hyp30.txt]
zgtdir CWDBL=1024
ackns[]=3
ackns k=0
freesbuf=3
sseqtbl[n]=-1
getsbuf, packet=3
getsbuf, sbufnum=1
spack n=3
spack data[@
spack len=0
mydata=1315763
sseqtbl[n]=0
gtimer=1
ttol n=6
ttol s[##YA
ttol try=1
ttol ok=6
spack ttol returns=6
SEND BUFFERS:
buffer inuse address length data type seq flag retries
0 1 131576090515 6 Y 3 0
[##YA
free: 0, winlo: 3
spack about to call screen
with mydata=[##YA
ackns winlo=3
ackns n=3
freerbuf, slot=0
freerbuf, packet=3
freerbuf, new rbufnum=1
freesbuf=3
input sstate=0
nakstate=1
sndtyp:Y
entering rpack, pktnum=0
getrbuf rbufnum=1
getrbuf wslots=1
getrbuf dum002=4321
getrbuf dum003=1111
getrbuf new rbufnum=0
rpack getrbuf=0
ttinl max=90514
ttinl timo=5
ttinl alarm=0
ttinl start:^A
ttinl eol=13
SVORPOSIX myfillbuf=6
myfillbuf read=6
ttinl length=3
ttinl EOP length=3
ttinl i=5
ttinl got[#$ZC]=5
rpack bctl=1
rpack chklen=1
rpack block check OK=4
gtimer=1
input recv[]=90
RECEIVE BUFFERS:
buffer inuse address length data type seq flag retries
0 1 140628090515 0 Z 4 0
[#$Z]
free: 0, winlo: 4
input rsn=winlo=4
input about to flush
ttflui netflui
ttflui ttyfd=0
ttflui ATTSV
input returning type:Z
reof fncact[hyp30.txt]=2
reof discard=0
reof cxseen=0
reof czseen=0
reof rdatap[]
reof success=0
clsof disp=0
zoutdump chars=18
zoutdump write ok=18
zclose success=1
Closed
zstime[hyp30.txt]
zstime[19700201 00:00:07]=17
zstrdt[19700201 00:00:07]=17
zstime date check 1[19700201 00:00:07]=17
zstime date check 2[19700201 00:00:07]=17
zstime date check 3[19700201 00:00:07]=17
zstime so far so good
zstime year[1970]=1970
zstime: tm=2696407
zstime: A-pkt date ok [19700201 00:00:07]=17
zstime: sb.st_atime=865198393
zstime 0: modtime set for file[hyp30.txt]
reof returns=1
ackns[]=4
ackns k=0
freesbuf=4
sseqtbl[n]=-1
getsbuf, packet=4
getsbuf, sbufnum=1
spack n=4
spack data[A
spack len=0
mydata=1315763
sseqtbl[n]=0
gtimer=1
ttol n=6
ttol s[#$YB
ttol try=1
ttol ok=6
spack ttol returns=6
SEND BUFFERS:
buffer inuse address length data type seq flag retries
0 1 131576090515 6 Y 4 0
[#$YB
free: 0, winlo: 4
spack about to call screen
with mydata=[#$YB
ackns winlo=4
ackns n=4
freerbuf, slot=0
freerbuf, packet=4
freerbuf, new rbufnum=1
freesbuf=4
input sstate=0
nakstate=1
sndtyp:Y
entering rpack, pktnum=0
getrbuf rbufnum=1
getrbuf wslots=1
getrbuf dum002=4321
getrbuf dum003=1111
getrbuf new rbufnum=0
rpack getrbuf=0
ttinl max=90514
ttinl timo=5
ttinl alarm=0
ttinl start:^A
ttinl eol=13
SVORPOSIX myfillbuf=6
myfillbuf read=6
ttinl length=3
ttinl EOP length=3
ttinl i=5
ttinl got[#%B,]=5
rpack bctl=1
rpack chklen=1
rpack block check OK=5
gtimer=1
input recv[]=66
RECEIVE BUFFERS:
buffer inuse address length data type seq flag retries
0 1 140628090515 0 B 5 0
[#%B]
free: 0, winlo: 5
RTT RECV=0
RTT stddev2=8000
RTT delay =500
RTT rcvtimo=30
input rsn=winlo=5
input about to flush
ttflui netflui
ttflui ttyfd=0
ttflui ATTSV
input returning type:B
ackns[]=5
ackns k=0
freesbuf=5
sseqtbl[n]=-1
getsbuf, packet=5
getsbuf, sbufnum=1
spack n=5
spack data[B
spack len=0
mydata=1315763
sseqtbl[n]=0
gtimer=1
ttol n=6
ttol s[#%YC
ttol try=1
ttol ok=6
spack ttol returns=6
SEND BUFFERS:
buffer inuse address length data type seq flag retries
0 1 131576090515 6 Y 5 0
[#%YC
free: 0, winlo: 5
spack about to call screen
with mydata=[#%YC
ackns winlo=5
ackns n=5
freerbuf, slot=0
freerbuf, packet=5
freerbuf, new rbufnum=1
freesbuf=5
gtimer=1
ztime: ATTSV[Sun Jun 1 16:53:13 1997
]
msleep SELECT 1=500
msleep SELECT 2=500
msleep SVR4 select=0
ttres tty modes restore=0
doexit exitstat=0
doexit what=0
ttclos ttyfd=0
ttclos done
conres cgmf=1
conres isatty ok
conres restoring ioctl
C-Kermit EXIT status=0
--------------------- HYPERTERMINAL DEBUG LOG END HERE ---------------------
--------------------- MSDOS KERMIT 3.14 DEBUG LOG START HERE ---------------
Debug Log [C-Kermit 6.0.192, 6 Sep 96]
Solaris 2.x
ztime: ATTSV[Sun Jun 1 16:40:28 1997
]
Sun Jun 1 16:40:28 1997
prescan arg:i
prescan arg:r
prescan arg:a
sysinit calling priv_ini
sysinit jchdlr: SIG_DFL
ATTSV conbgt process group=4749
non-POSIX conbgt terminal process group=4749
conbgt process group test=0
SVR4ORPOSIX jc test...
sysconf(_SC_JOB_CONTROL)[jc]=1
conbgt jc=1
conbgt jcshell=1
conbgt isatty test=1
conbgt backgrd=0
congm getting modes
fxdinit fdispla=2
fxdinit tgetent[vt100]=1
connoi
getiobs ok
ttgspd ttyfd=-1
ttgspd cfgetospeed 1 ATTSV=15
ttgspd code=15
ttgspd speed=38400
inibufs s=90500
inibufs r=90500
inibufs size 1=181040
inibufs size z=181040
inibufs size 2=181040
inibufs bigsbsiz=90515
inibufs bigrbsiz=90515
prescan arg:p
prescan arg:d
prescan arg:i
prescan arg:r
prescan arg:a
main argc after prescan()=7
ATTSV conbgt process group=4749
non-POSIX conbgt terminal process group=4749
conbgt process group test=0
SVR4ORPOSIX jc test...
sysconf(_SC_JOB_CONTROL)[jc]=1
conbgt jc=1
conbgt jcshell=1
conbgt isatty test=1
conbgt backgrd=0
conint backgrd=0
conint jc=1
conint foreground catching signals, jc=1
conint SIGSTSTP=472048
addmac nam[ibm-linemode]=12
addmac def[set parity mark, set dupl half, set handsh xon, set flow none]=61
addmac macro def[ibm-linemode]
addmac table size[ibm-linemode]=0
addmac position[ibm-linemode]=0
addmac nam[fatal]=5
addmac def[if def \%1 echo \%1, if not = \v(local) 0 hangup, stop 1]=56
addmac macro def[fatal]
addmac table size[fatal]=1
addmac position[fatal]=0
addmac nam[fast]=4
addmac def[set win 20, set rec pack 4096, set prefix minimal]=49
addmac macro def[fast]
addmac table size[fast]=2
addmac position[fast]=0
addmac nam[cautious]=8
addmac def[set win 4, set rec pack 1000, set prefixing cautious]=52
addmac macro def[cautious]
addmac table size[cautious]=3
addmac position[cautious]=0
addmac nam[robust]=6
addmac def[set win 1, set rec pack 90, set prefixing all]=45
addmac macro def[robust]
addmac table size[robust]=4
addmac position[robust]=4
addmmac line[_assign _for\v(cmdlevel) { _getargs,]=36
addmmac line[define \\\%1 \feval(\%2),:_..top,if \%5 \\\%1 \%3 goto _..bot,]=62
addmmac line[\%6,:_..inc,incr \\\%1 \%4,goto _..top,:_..bot,_putargs},]=57
addmmac line[def break goto _..bot, def continue goto _..inc,]=48
addmmac line[do _for\v(cmdlevel) \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 { \%5 },_assign _for\v(cmdlevel)]=68
addmmac lines=5
addmmac loop exit=0
addmmac length[_forx]=271
addmmac constructed string[_assign _for\v(cmdlevel) { _getargs,define \\\%1 \feval(\%2),:_..top,if \%5 \\\%1 \%3 goto _..bot,\%6,:_..inc,incr \\\%1 \%4,goto _..top,:_..bot,_putargs},def break goto _..bot, def continue goto _..inc,do _for\v(cmdlevel) \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 { \%5 },_assign _for\v(cmdlevel)]=271
addmac nam[_forx]=5
addmac def[_assign _for\v(cmdlevel) { _getargs,define \\\%1 \feval(\%2),:_..top,if \%5 \\\%1 \%3 goto _..bot,\%6,:_..inc,incr \\\%1 \%4,goto _..top,:_..bot,_putargs},def break goto _..bot, def continue goto _..inc,do _for\v(cmdlevel) \%1 \%2 \%3 \%4 { \%5 },_assign _for\v(cmdlevel)]=271
addmac macro def[_forx]
addmac table size[_forx]=5
addmac position[_forx]=0
addmmac line[_assign _if\v(cmdlevel) {_getargs,\%1,_putargs},]=48
addmmac line[do _if\v(cmdlevel),_assign _if\v(cmdlevel)]=42
addmmac lines=2
addmmac loop exit=0
addmmac length[_xif]=90
addmmac constructed string[_assign _if\v(cmdlevel) {_getargs,\%1,_putargs},do _if\v(cmdlevel),_assign _if\v(cmdlevel)]=90
addmac nam[_xif]=4
addmac def[_assign _if\v(cmdlevel) {_getargs,\%1,_putargs},do _if\v(cmdlevel),_assign _if\v(cmdlevel)]=90
addmac macro def[_xif]
addmac table size[_xif]=6
addmac position[_xif]=1
addmmac line[_assign _whi\v(cmdlevel) {_getargs,]=35
addmmac line[:_..inc,\%1,\%2,goto _..inc,:_..bot,_putargs},]=46
addmmac line[_def break goto _..bot, _def continue goto _..inc,]=50
addmmac line[do _whi\v(cmdlevel),_assign _whi\v(cmdlevel)]=44
addmmac lines=4
addmmac loop exit=0
addmmac length[_while]=175
addmmac constructed string[_assign _whi\v(cmdlevel) {_getargs,:_..inc,\%1,\%2,goto _..inc,:_..bot,_putargs},_def break goto _..bot, _def continue goto _..inc,do _whi\v(cmdlevel),_assign _whi\v(cmdlevel)]=175
addmac nam[_while]=6
addmac def[_assign _whi\v(cmdlevel) {_getargs,:_..inc,\%1,\%2,goto _..inc,:_..bot,_putargs},_def break goto _..bot, _def continue goto _..inc,do _whi\v(cmdlevel),_assign _whi\v(cmdlevel)]=175
addmac macro def[_while]
addmac table size[_while]=7
addmac position[_while]=1
addmmac line[_assign _sw_\v(cmdlevel) {_getargs,]=35
addmmac line[_forward \%1,\%2,:_..bot,_putargs},_def break goto _..bot,]=58
addmmac line[do _sw_\v(cmdlevel),_assign _sw_\v(cmdlevel)]=44
addmmac lines=3
addmmac loop exit=0
addmmac length[_switx]=137
addmmac constructed string[_assign _sw_\v(cmdlevel) {_getargs,_forward \%1,\%2,:_..bot,_putargs},_def break goto _..bot,do _sw_\v(cmdlevel),_assign _sw_\v(cmdlevel)]=137
addmac nam[_switx]=6
addmac def[_assign _sw_\v(cmdlevel) {_getargs,_forward \%1,\%2,:_..bot,_putargs},_def break goto _..bot,do _sw_\v(cmdlevel),_assign _sw_\v(cmdlevel)]=137
addmac macro def[_switx]
addmac table size[_switx]=8
addmac position[_switx]=1
xxstring[10]=2
chknum[10]
addmac nam[\&_[0]]=6
addmac def[(null pointer)]=0
xxstring[0]=1
chknum[0]
delmac nam[&_[0]]
xxstring[0]=1
chknum[0]
delmac def[(null pointer)]
delmac mlook[&_[0]]=-1
addmac nam[\&_[1]]=6
addmac def[(null pointer)]=0
xxstring[1]=1
chknum[1]
delmac nam[&_[1]]
xxstring[1]=1
chknum[1]
delmac def[(null pointer)]
delmac mlook[&_[1]]=-1
addmac nam[\&_[2]]=6
addmac def[(null pointer)]=0
xxstring[2]=1
chknum[2]
delmac nam[&_[2]]
xxstring[2]=1
chknum[2]
delmac def[(null pointer)]
delmac mlook[&_[2]]=-1
addmac nam[\&_[3]]=6
addmac def[(null pointer)]=0
xxstring[3]=1
chknum[3]
delmac nam[&_[3]]
xxstring[3]=1
chknum[3]
delmac def[(null pointer)]
delmac mlook[&_[3]]=-1
addmac nam[\&_[4]]=6
addmac def[(null pointer)]=0
xxstring[4]=1
chknum[4]
delmac nam[&_[4]]
xxstring[4]=1
chknum[4]
delmac def[(null pointer)]
delmac mlook[&_[4]]=-1
addmac nam[\&_[5]]=6
addmac def[(null pointer)]=0
xxstring[5]=1
chknum[5]
delmac nam[&_[5]]
xxstring[5]=1
chknum[5]
delmac def[(null pointer)]
delmac mlook[&_[5]]=-1
addmac nam[\&_[6]]=6
addmac def[(null pointer)]=0
xxstring[6]=1
chknum[6]
delmac nam[&_[6]]
xxstring[6]=1
chknum[6]
delmac def[(null pointer)]
delmac mlook[&_[6]]=-1
addmac nam[\&_[7]]=6
addmac def[(null pointer)]=0
xxstring[7]=1
chknum[7]
delmac nam[&_[7]]
xxstring[7]=1
chknum[7]
delmac def[(null pointer)]
delmac mlook[&_[7]]=-1
addmac nam[\&_[8]]=6
addmac def[(null pointer)]=0
xxstring[8]=1
chknum[8]
delmac nam[&_[8]]
xxstring[8]=1
chknum[8]
delmac def[(null pointer)]
delmac mlook[&_[8]]=-1
addmac nam[\&_[9]]=6
addmac def[(null pointer)]=0
xxstring[9]=1
chknum[9]
delmac nam[&_[9]]
xxstring[9]=1
chknum[9]
delmac def[(null pointer)]
delmac mlook[&_[9]]=-1
xxstring[7]=1
chknum[7]
addmac nam[\&@[0]]=6
addmac def[wermit]=6
xxstring[0]=1
chknum[0]
delmac nam[&@[0]]
xxstring[0]=1
chknum[0]
delmac def[(null pointer)]
delmac mlook[&@[0]]=-1
addmac nam[\&@[1]]=6
addmac def[-p]=2
xxstring[1]=1
chknum[1]
delmac nam[&@[1]]
xxstring[1]=1
chknum[1]
delmac def[(null pointer)]
delmac mlook[&@[1]]=-1
addmac nam[\&@[2]]=6
addmac def[n]=1
xxstring[2]=1
chknum[2]
delmac nam[&@[2]]
xxstring[2]=1
chknum[2]
delmac def[(null pointer)]
delmac mlook[&@[2]]=-1
addmac nam[\&@[3]]=6
addmac def[-d]=2
xxstring[3]=1
chknum[3]
delmac nam[&@[3]]
xxstring[3]=1
chknum[3]
delmac def[(null pointer)]
delmac mlook[&@[3]]=-1
addmac nam[\&@[4]]=6
addmac def[-ir]=3
xxstring[4]=1
chknum[4]
delmac nam[&@[4]]
xxstring[4]=1
chknum[4]
delmac def[(null pointer)]
delmac mlook[&@[4]]=-1
addmac nam[\&@[5]]=6
addmac def[-a]=2
xxstring[5]=1
chknum[5]
delmac nam[&@[5]]
xxstring[5]=1
chknum[5]
delmac def[(null pointer)]
delmac mlook[&@[5]]=-1
addmac nam[\&@[6]]=6
addmac def[km314.txt]=9
xxstring[6]=1
chknum[6]
delmac nam[&@[6]]
xxstring[6]=1
chknum[6]
delmac def[(null pointer)]
delmac mlook[&@[6]]=-1
ini file is[/home/kwong/.kermrc]
main executing init file=-1
main exits init file=-1
main 2 cfilef=0
main argc=7
cmdlin[wermit]=7
cmdlin cfilef=0
xargv[-p]=6
doarg entry[p]=6
doarg arg:p
xargv[-d]=4
doarg entry[d]=4
doarg arg:d
xargv[-ir]=3
doarg entry[ir]=3
doarg arg:i
doarg arg:r
xargv[-a]=2
doarg entry[a]=2
doarg arg:a
action=118
isdir stat[km314.txt]=-1
isdir errno=2
length=9
isdir stat[km314.txt]=-1
isdir errno=2
i=0
zchko access ok:[.]=0
ATTSV conbgt process group=4749
non-POSIX conbgt terminal process group=4749
conbgt process group test=0
SVR4ORPOSIX jc test...
sysconf(_SC_JOB_CONTROL)[jc]=1
conbgt jc=1
conbgt jcshell=1
conbgt isatty test=1
conbgt backgrd=0
conint backgrd=0
conint jc=1
conint foreground catching signals, jc=1
conint SIGSTSTP=472048
xxproto entry justone=0
ttopen telnetfd=0
ttopen entry modem[/dev/tty]=0
ttyfd=-1
lcl=-1
ttopen MAXNAMLEN defined
ttopen BSD4 *NOT* defined
ttopen BSD42 *NOT* defined
ttopen MYREAD defined
ttopen fdflag=0
ttopen ttyfd[/dev/tty]=4
ttname=CTTNAM[/dev/tty]=0
ttopen setting ttyfd = 0
ttopen ioctl TCGETA ttold.c_lflag=35387
ttgspd ttyfd=0
ttgspd cfgetospeed 2 ATTSV=15
ttgspd code=15
ttgspd speed=38400
ttopen ttspeed=38400
ttopen, ttyfd=0
lcl=0
lock file[]=0
proto ttopen local[/dev/tty]=0
ttpkt parity=0
ttpkt xflow=1
ttpkt speed=-1
ttpkt ttpmsk=255
ttpkt netconn=0
tthflow ATTSV RTS/CTS OFF
tthflow ATTSV RTSXOFF OFF=-1
tthflow ATTSV DTR/CD OFF
tthflow ATTSV DTRXOFF OFF=-1
connoi
resetc fsize=-1
proto calling wart, justone=0
input sstate=118
nakstate=0
sndtyp:^@
tinit bestlen=0
tinit setting justone=0
tinit tcharset=0
tinit fcharset=0
chktimo timo=8
chktimo flag=0
chktimo spmax=90
chktimo urpsiz=90
ttgspd ttyfd=0
ttgspd cfgetospeed 2 ATTSV=15
ttgspd code=15
ttgspd speed=38400
chktimo plen=90
makebuf=1
makebuf bufsiz=90515
makebuf MAXWS=32
mksbuf makebuf return=90515
getsbuf, packet=0
getsbuf, sbufnum=1
tinit getsbuf=0
SEND BUFFERS:
buffer inuse address length data type seq flag retries
0 1 131576090515 0 0 0
[(null pointer)]
free: 0, winlo: 0
makebuf=1
makebuf bufsiz=90515
makebuf MAXWS=32
mkrbuf makebuf return=90515
input sstate=0
nakstate=1
sndtyp:^@
entering rpack, pktnum=0
getrbuf rbufnum=1
getrbuf wslots=1
getrbuf dum002=4321
getrbuf dum003=1111
getrbuf new rbufnum=0
rpack getrbuf=0
ttinl max=90514
ttinl timo=8
ttinl alarm=0
ttinl start:^A
ttinl eol=13
SVORPOSIX myfillbuf=24
myfillbuf read=24
ttinl length=21
ttinl EOP length=21
ttinl i=23
parchk n=23
parchk start=1
ttinl got[5 S~( @-#Y3~^$5% ___DF]=23
rpack bctl=1
rpack chklen=1
rpack block check OK=0
gtimer=6
input recv[~( @-#Y3~^$5% ___D]=83
RECEIVE BUFFERS:
buffer inuse address length data type seq flag retries
0 1 140628090515 0 S 0 0
[5 S~( @-#Y3~^$5% ___D]
free: 0, winlo: 0
input rsn=winlo=0
input about to flush
ttflui netflui
ttflui ttyfd=0
ttflui ATTSV
input returning type:S
ztime: ATTSV[Sun Jun 1 16:40:34 1997
]
entering spar[~( @-#Y3~^$5% ___D]
chktimo timo=8
chktimo flag=0
chktimo spmax=94
chktimo urpsiz=90
ttgspd ttyfd=0
ttgspd cfgetospeed 2 ATTSV=15
ttgspd code=15
ttgspd speed=38400
chktimo plen=94
spar 8bq rq:Y
spar 8bq sq:Y
spar 8bq ebq:&
spar 8bq rqf=1
spar capas=62
spar lscapu=0
spar lscapr=1
spar ebqflg=0
spar swcapr=1
spar swcapu=1
spar lscapu=0
spar y=10
spar lpcapu=1
spar lp len=2000
spar slow-start spsiz=244
spar lp spmax=2000
chktimo timo=8
chktimo flag=0
chktimo spmax=2000
chktimo urpsiz=90
ttgspd ttyfd=0
ttgspd cfgetospeed 2 ATTSV=15
ttgspd code=15
ttgspd speed=38400
chktimo plen=2000
spar window=4
spar window after adjustment=4
spar: data[~( @-#Y3~^$5% ___D]=18
spsiz =244
timint=8
npad =0
padch =0
seol =13
ctlq =35
ebq =38
ebqflg=0
bctr =3
rptq =126
rptflg=1
lscapu=0
atcapu=1
lpcapu=1
swcapu=1
wslotn=1
whatru=36
chktimo timo=15
chktimo flag=0
chktimo spmax=2000
chktimo urpsiz=90
ttgspd ttyfd=0
ttgspd cfgetospeed 2 ATTSV=15
ttgspd code=15
ttgspd speed=38400
chktimo plen=2000
rpar 8bq sq:Y
rpar 8bq ebq:&
rpar[z/ @-#Y3~^! z0___F"U1]
rpar: data[z/ @-#Y3~^! z0___F"U1]=21
rpsiz =90
rtimo =8
mypadn=0
mypadc=0
eol =13
ctlq =35
sq =89
ebq =38
ebqflg=0
bctr =3
rptq =126
rptflg=1
capas =9
bits =94
lscapu=0
atcapu=1
lpcapu=1
swcapu=1
wslotr=1
rpsiz(extended)=90
ack1[z/ @-#Y3~^! z0___F"U1]
ackns[z/ @-#Y3~^! z0___F"U1]=0
ackns k=0
freesbuf=0
getsbuf, packet=0
getsbuf, sbufnum=1
spack n=0
spack data[]=1315767
spack len=21
mydata=1315763
sseqtbl[n]=0
gtimer=6
ttol n=27
ttol s[8 Yz/ @-#Y3~^! z0___F"U1I
ttol try=1
ttol ok=27
spack ttol returns=27
SEND BUFFERS:
buffer inuse address length data type seq flag retries
0 1 131576090515 27 Y 0 0
[8 Yz/ @-#Y3~^! z0___F"U1I
free: 0, winlo: 0
spack about to call screen
with mydata=[8 Yz/ @-#Y3~^! z0___F"U1I
ackns winlo=0
ackns n=0
freerbuf, slot=0
freerbuf, packet=0
freerbuf, new rbufnum=1
freesbuf=0
resetc fsize=-1
input sstate=0
nakstate=1
sndtyp:Y
entering rpack, pktnum=0
getrbuf rbufnum=1
getrbuf wslots=1
getrbuf dum002=4321
getrbuf dum003=1111
getrbuf new rbufnum=0
rpack getrbuf=0
ttinl max=90514
ttinl timo=8
ttinl alarm=0
ttinl start:^A
ttinl eol=13
SVORPOSIX myfillbuf=13
myfillbuf read=13
ttinl length=10
ttinl EOP length=10
ttinl i=12
ttinl got[*!FTEST2)Q-]=12
rpack bctl=3
rpack chklen=3
rpack block check OK=1
gtimer=0
input recv[TEST2]=70
RECEIVE BUFFERS:
buffer inuse address length data type seq flag retries
0 1 140628090515 0 F 1 0
[*!FTEST2]
free: 0, winlo: 1
input rsn=winlo=1
input about to flush
ttflui netflui
ttflui ttyfd=0
ttflui ATTSV
input returning type:F
rcvfil[TEST2]
rcvfil cmarg2[km314.txt]
rcvfil substituting cmarg2[km314.txt]
zstrip before[km314.txt]
zstrip after tilde-stripping[km314.txt]
zstrip after[km314.txt]
rcvfil zstrip[km314.txt]
zrtol original name=1225056
zrtol new name[km314.txt]
rcvfil as[km314.txt]
isdir stat[km314.txt]=-1
isdir errno=2
rcvfil dirflg=0
zchki stat fails[km314.txt]=2
rcvfil ofn1x=0
rcvfil ofn1[km314.txt]
rcvfil ofn2[(NULL)]
rcvfil: n[km314.txt]
gtimer=0
isabsolute[km314.txt]=9
isabsolute returns[]=0
zgtdir CWDBL=1024
getpkt fmask=255
getpkt new rt=47
getpkt eof/eot[/tmp/test/km314.txt]=19
encstr fits OK, size=19
ack1[/tmp/test/km314.txt]
ackns[/tmp/test/km314.txt]=1
ackns k=0
freesbuf=1
sseqtbl[n]=-1
getsbuf, packet=1
getsbuf, sbufnum=1
spack n=1
spack data[/tmp/test/km314.txt]=1315767
spack len=19
mydata=1315763
sseqtbl[n]=0
gtimer=0
ttol n=27
ttol s[8!Y/tmp/test/km314.txt&Y'
ttol try=1
ttol ok=27
spack ttol returns=27
SEND BUFFERS:
buffer inuse address length data type seq flag retries
0 1 131576090515 27 Y 1 0
[8!Y/tmp/test/km314.txt&Y'
free: 0, winlo: 1
spack about to call screen
with mydata=[8!Y/tmp/test/km314.txt&Y'
ackns winlo=1
ackns n=1
freerbuf, slot=0
freerbuf, packet=1
freerbuf, new rbufnum=1
freesbuf=1
window=1
makebuf=1
makebuf bufsiz=90515
makebuf MAXWS=32
mksbuf makebuf return=90515
makebuf=1
makebuf bufsiz=90515
makebuf MAXWS=32
mkrbuf makebuf return=90515
SEND BUFFERS:
buffer inuse address length data type seq flag retries
0 0 131576090515 0 -1 0
[8!Y/tmp/test/km314.txt&Y'
free: 1, winlo: 2
RECEIVE BUFFERS:
buffer inuse address length data type seq flag retries
0 0 140628090515 0 -1 0
[]
free: 1, winlo: 2
input sstate=0
nakstate=1
sndtyp:Y
entering rpack, pktnum=0
getrbuf rbufnum=1
getrbuf wslots=1
getrbuf dum002=4321
getrbuf dum003=1111
getrbuf new rbufnum=0
rpack getrbuf=0
ttinl max=90514
ttinl timo=8
ttinl alarm=0
ttinl start:^A
ttinl eol=13
SVORPOSIX myfillbuf=48
myfillbuf read=48
ttinl length=45
ttinl EOP length=45
ttinl i=47
ttinl got[M"A1"18!!1#120380601 03:31:18."U8"#AMJ*!A@ )EG]=47
rpack bctl=3
rpack chklen=3
rpack block check OK=2
gtimer=0
input recv[1"18!!1#120380601 03:31:18."U8"#AMJ*!A@ ]=65
RECEIVE BUFFERS:
buffer inuse address length data type seq flag retries
0 1 140628090515 0 A 2 0
[M"A1"18!!1#120380601 03:31:18."U8"#AMJ*!A@ ]
free: 0, winlo: 2
input rsn=winlo=2
input about to flush
ttflui netflui
ttflui ttyfd=0
ttflui ATTSV
input returning type:A
gattr length[18]=18
gattr file type[AMJ]=3
gattr binary=1
gattr attribute A = text
gattr encoding=1
gattr fsize[18]
gattr return[]=0
ack1[]
ackns[]=2
ackns k=0
freesbuf=2
sseqtbl[n]=-1
getsbuf, packet=2
getsbuf, sbufnum=1
spack n=2
spack data[/tmp/test/km314.txt&Y'
spack len=0
mydata=1315763
sseqtbl[n]=0
gtimer=0
ttol n=8
ttol s[%"Y.5!
ttol try=1
ttol ok=8
spack ttol returns=8
SEND BUFFERS:
buffer inuse address length data type seq flag retries
0 1 131576090515 8 Y 2 0
[%"Y.5!
free: 0, winlo: 2
spack about to call screen
with mydata=[%"Y.5!
ackns winlo=2
ackns n=2
freerbuf, slot=0
freerbuf, packet=2
freerbuf, new rbufnum=1
freesbuf=2
input sstate=0
nakstate=1
sndtyp:Y
entering rpack, pktnum=0
getrbuf rbufnum=1
getrbuf wslots=1
getrbuf dum002=4321
getrbuf dum003=1111
getrbuf new rbufnum=0
rpack getrbuf=0
ttinl max=90514
ttinl timo=8
ttinl alarm=0
ttinl start:^A
ttinl eol=13
SVORPOSIX myfillbuf=3
myfillbuf read=3
ttinl length=25
SVORPOSIX myfillbuf=25
myfillbuf read=25
ttinl EOP length=25
ttinl i=27
ttinl got[9#D"date 6/1/2038" #M#J'P;]=27
rpack bctl=3
rpack chklen=3
rpack block check OK=3
gtimer=0
input recv["date 6/1/2038" #M#J]=68
RECEIVE BUFFERS:
buffer inuse address length data type seq flag retries
0 1 140628090515 0 D 3 0
[9#D"date 6/1/2038" #M#J]
free: 0, winlo: 3
input rsn=winlo=3
input about to flush
ttflui netflui
ttflui ttyfd=0
ttflui ATTSV
input returning type:D
opena f[km314.txt]
opena discard=0
Attributes for incoming file [km314.txt]
length in K=1
file type[AMJ]=3
creation date[20380601 03:31:18]=17
creator[]=0
account[]=0
area[]=0
password[]=0
blksize=-1
access[]=0
encoding[A]=1
disposition[]=0
lprotection[]=0
gprotection[]=0
systemid[U8]=2
recfm[]=0
sysparam[]=0
length=18
reply[]
opena xflg=0
opena remfile=0
opena remappd=0
opena disp=0
opena dispos=0
opena [file]=mode: [km314.txt]=0
openo: name[km314.txt]
zopeno[km314.txt]=3
zopeno fcb disp=0
zopeno fcb type=0
zopeno fcb char=0
zopeno[km314.txt]=3
zopeno fopen arg[w]
zopeno ok
openo ok, name[km314.txt]
zgtdir CWDBL=1024
opena charset[A]=1
ackns[]=3
ackns k=0
freesbuf=3
sseqtbl[n]=-1
getsbuf, packet=3
getsbuf, sbufnum=1
spack n=3
spack data[.5!
spack len=0
mydata=1315763
sseqtbl[n]=0
gtimer=0
ttol n=8
ttol s[%#Y/R9
ttol try=1
ttol ok=8
spack ttol returns=8
SEND BUFFERS:
buffer inuse address length data type seq flag retries
0 1 131576090515 8 Y 3 0
[%#Y/R9
free: 0, winlo: 3
spack about to call screen
with mydata=[%#Y/R9
ackns winlo=3
ackns n=3
freerbuf, slot=0
freerbuf, packet=3
freerbuf, new rbufnum=1
freesbuf=3
input sstate=0
nakstate=1
sndtyp:Y
entering rpack, pktnum=0
getrbuf rbufnum=1
getrbuf wslots=1
getrbuf dum002=4321
getrbuf dum003=1111
getrbuf new rbufnum=0
rpack getrbuf=0
ttinl max=90514
ttinl timo=8
ttinl alarm=0
ttinl start:^A
ttinl eol=13
SVORPOSIX myfillbuf=8
myfillbuf read=8
ttinl length=5
ttinl EOP length=5
ttinl i=7
ttinl got[%$Z(,*]=7
rpack bctl=3
rpack chklen=3
rpack block check OK=4
gtimer=0
input recv[]=90
RECEIVE BUFFERS:
buffer inuse address length data type seq flag retries
0 1 140628090515 0 Z 4 0
[%$Z]
free: 0, winlo: 4
input rsn=winlo=4
input about to flush
ttflui netflui
ttflui ttyfd=0
ttflui ATTSV
input returning type:Z
reof fncact[km314.txt]=2
reof discard=0
reof cxseen=0
reof czseen=0
reof rdatap[]
reof success=0
clsof disp=0
zoutdump chars=17
zoutdump write ok=17
zclose success=1
Closed
zstime[km314.txt]
zstime[20380601 03:31:18]=17
zstrdt[20380601 03:31:18]=17
zstime date check 1[20380601 03:31:18]=17
zstime date check 2[20380601 03:31:18]=17
zstime date check 3[20380601 03:31:18]=17
zstime so far so good
zstime year[2038]=2038
zstime: zstrdt fails=0
reof returns=1
ackns[]=4
ackns k=0
freesbuf=4
sseqtbl[n]=-1
getsbuf, packet=4
getsbuf, sbufnum=1
spack n=4
spack data[/R9
spack len=0
mydata=1315763
sseqtbl[n]=0
gtimer=0
ttol n=8
ttol s[%$Y+&1
ttol try=1
ttol ok=8
spack ttol returns=8
SEND BUFFERS:
buffer inuse address length data type seq flag retries
0 1 131576090515 8 Y 4 0
[%$Y+&1
free: 0, winlo: 4
spack about to call screen
with mydata=[%$Y+&1
ackns winlo=4
ackns n=4
freerbuf, slot=0
freerbuf, packet=4
freerbuf, new rbufnum=1
freesbuf=4
input sstate=0
nakstate=1
sndtyp:Y
entering rpack, pktnum=0
getrbuf rbufnum=1
getrbuf wslots=1
getrbuf dum002=4321
getrbuf dum003=1111
getrbuf new rbufnum=0
rpack getrbuf=0
ttinl max=90514
ttinl timo=8
ttinl alarm=0
ttinl start:^A
ttinl eol=13
SVORPOSIX myfillbuf=8
myfillbuf read=8
ttinl length=5
ttinl EOP length=5
ttinl i=7
ttinl got[%%B 8;]=7
rpack bctl=3
rpack chklen=3
rpack block check OK=5
gtimer=1
input recv[]=66
RECEIVE BUFFERS:
buffer inuse address length data type seq flag retries
0 1 140628090515 0 B 5 0
[%%B]
free: 0, winlo: 5
RTT RECV=1
RTT stddev2=8000
RTT delay =1000
RTT rcvtimo=48
input rsn=winlo=5
input about to flush
ttflui netflui
ttflui ttyfd=0
ttflui ATTSV
input returning type:B
ackns[]=5
ackns k=0
freesbuf=5
sseqtbl[n]=-1
getsbuf, packet=5
getsbuf, sbufnum=1
spack n=5
spack data[+&1
spack len=0
mydata=1315763
sseqtbl[n]=0
gtimer=1
ttol n=8
ttol s[%%Y*A)
ttol try=1
ttol ok=8
spack ttol returns=8
SEND BUFFERS:
buffer inuse address length data type seq flag retries
0 1 131576090515 8 Y 5 0
[%%Y*A)
free: 0, winlo: 5
spack about to call screen
with mydata=[%%Y*A)
ackns winlo=5
ackns n=5
freerbuf, slot=0
freerbuf, packet=5
freerbuf, new rbufnum=1
freesbuf=5
gtimer=1
ztime: ATTSV[Sun Jun 1 16:40:35 1997
]
msleep SELECT 1=500
msleep SELECT 2=500
msleep SVR4 select=0
ttres tty modes restore=0
doexit exitstat=0
doexit what=0
ttclos ttyfd=0
ttclos done
conres cgmf=1
conres isatty ok
conres restoring ioctl
C-Kermit EXIT status=0
--------------------- MSDOS KERMIT 3.14 DEBUG LOG END HERE ---------------
--
+---------------------------------+----------------------------------------+
| Unix System Administrator | James Kwong 954-262-4906 |
| Nova Southeastern University | kwong@solar.acast.nova.edu |
+---------------------------------+----------------------------------------+
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Upload file attributes problem (bug)???
Date: 5 Jun 1997 15:25:52 GMT
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: HELP!
:
Please don't post 47K debug logs to the newsgroup -- that's what
kermit-support@columbia.edu is for.
: Problem:
: --------
: Using Kermit Protocol in Hyperterminal (v1.1 or v3.0, NT4.0 WkSt SvcPk3) to
: upload a PC file created on 6/1/2038 to a UNIX machine (Solaris 2.4, Ckermit
: v6.0) will create a file dated 2/1/1970.
: (To duplicate the problem, simply use the 'date' command to set your PC
: date, create a file and then upload it.)
:
: However, using Kermit Protocol in MS-DOS Kermit (v3.14, DOS 6.22) to upload
: a file created on 6/1/2038 to the same Solaris 2.4 machine has no problem.
: The file will create with the current date, which is 6/1/1997.
:
So then Hyperterminal is busted. Case closed.
: Is there a way to solve this problem on the ckermit 6.0 side ?
:
No.
: For me, I can simply touch the file after I upload, but that may not be
: acceptable by some end-users who do not check their PC clock date but
: blame it on Kermit.
:
: At the end of this post, I have included the output of the 'stat' command
: on the two files and the debug log on the two files when I upload. Hope
: that helps.
:
It helps us diagnose the problem, but not the other readers of this newsgroup.
When you upload with Hyperterminal:
Attributes for incoming file [hyp30.txt]
length in K=0
file type[]=0
creation date[19700201 00:00:07]=17
When you upload with MS-DOS Kermit:
Attributes for incoming file [km314.txt]
length in K=1
file type[AMJ]=3
creation date[20380601 03:31:18]=17
Hyperterminal tells C-Kermit the file date is 1970. It also gets most of
the other attributes wrong. C-Kermit is behaving exactly as it should, and
the only way it can. You can work around the problem by telling C-Kermit
to "set attributes off" when receiving files from Hyperterminal.
Moral: if you want to use Kermit protocol, use real Kermit software, which
is written by people who care enough about it to get it right.
- Frank
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From: hotjava@pacific.net.sg (Petho)
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Subject: MS Kermit For DOS Setup for TCP/IP
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Hi,
I'm currently having trouble trying to connect to a Unix system from
MS Kermit under DOS using Novell's IPXODI.
Has anyone done this before ? I've tried the example from the
setup.doc from Kermit but still could not telnet to the Unix Host.
The following is my NET.CFG setting
================================================================
Link Driver 3C5X9
INT 5
PORT 300
FRAME Ethernet_802.3
FRAME Ethernet_II
Protocol IPX 8137 Ethernet_II
Protocol IP 0800 Ethernet_II
Protocol ARP 0806 Ethernet_II
Protocol RARP 8035 Ethernet_II
Netware DOS Requester
PB buffers=6
TRUE COMMIT = ON
PREFERRED WORKGROUP = CDUSERS
WORKGROUP NET = 0000AAA1:FFFFFFFFFFFF
FIRST NETWORK DRIVE = F
NETWARE PROTOCOL = PNW,BIND
PREFERRED SERVER = ASCOMTECH2
HANDLE NET ERRORS = OFF
LOAD LOW CONN = ON
LOAD IPXNCP = ON
AUTO RECONNECT = ON
BIND RECONNECT = ON
AUTO RETRY = 20
SHOW DOTS = ON
SIGNATURE LEVEL = 0
USE DEFAULTS = OFF
VLM = CONN.VLM
VLM = IPXNCP.VLM
VLM = TRAN.VLM
VLM = SECURITY.VLM
VLM = NDS.VLM
VLM = BIND.VLM
VLM = NWP.VLM
VLM = FIO.VLM
VLM = GENERAL.VLM
VLM = REDIR.VLM
VLM = PRINT.VLM
VLM = NETX.VLM
VLM = AUTO.VLM
TRANSPORT PROVIDER IPX
Protocol KERMIT
Bind 3C5X9
Protocol TCPIP
PATH LANG_CFG C:\NET\LANG
PATH SCRIPT C:\NET\SCRIPT
PATH PROFILE C:\NET\PROFILE
PATH LWP_CFG C:\NET\HSTACC
PATH TCP_CFG C:\NET\TCP
ip_address 193.41.140.200
Link Support
Buffers 6 1600
MemPool 4096
I was currently using Lan Workplace to connect to the unix.
My STARTNET.BAT contains the following :
lh lsl.com
lh 3c5x9.com
lh ipxodi.com
rem vlm.exe
In the MSCUSTOM.INI, i've also updated the information (e.g. enabling
the broadcast address, defining the IP address as 193.41.140.200,
etc).
But when I enter the kermit command : telnet 193.41.140.106, i always
see the error message :
Resolving address of host 193.41.140.106
Unable to ARP resolve 193.41.140.106
Unable to contact the host.
The Host may be down or a gateway may be needed.
I've tried pinging the host and it works.
Please Advice.
Thanks in advance.
Peter.
Petho
Email:hotjava@pacific.net.sg
"Everybody lives and dies but NOT everybody who has died lived"
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Petho (hotjava@pacific.net.sg) wrote:
: I'm currently having trouble trying to connect to a Unix system from
: MS Kermit under DOS using Novell's IPXODI.
: Has anyone done this before ? I've tried the example from the
: setup.doc from Kermit but still could not telnet to the Unix Host.
I use it every day. MSKermit 3.14
: The following is my NET.CFG setting
: ================================================================
: Link Driver 3C5X9
: INT 5
: PORT 300
: FRAME Ethernet_802.3
: FRAME Ethernet_II
Mine adds a line
Frame Ethernet_SNAP
and does not have the line Protocol IPX 8137 Ethernet_II
: Protocol IPX 8137 Ethernet_II
: Protocol IP 0800 Ethernet_II
: Protocol ARP 0806 Ethernet_II
: Protocol RARP 8035 Ethernet_II
I also do not mention Kermit elsewhere in Net.cfg
: TRANSPORT PROVIDER IPX
: Protocol KERMIT
: Bind 3C5X9
And I specify my TCP address in my kermit.ini, rather than here.
: ip_address 193.41.140.200
--
---
Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net
- Pope Valley & Napa CA.
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Hi
Don't know if anyone can help here but, I am connecting to SCO
xenix from a Windows 95 box via C-Kermit and mskermit 315.
Generally the connection seems O.K. but I am getting a message
to the effect that at the 95 end that it is unable to find the
hardware and is using the bios instead. Does anybody know what
might be causing this.
Many thanks.
--
Barry Cowles
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I have installed Kermit(Windows) to dial into my server at work.
Currently I use a DOS version of Kermit which works fine but I need to use
the Windows version now. My problem is on the Windows version I connect
to the server okay, but when I type a number or letter it does not
display until I type the next number or letter when both display. This
causes immediate problems once I'm in the program. Any Help would be
greatly appreciated.
Rob
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <$myWVCAK5+lzEwYe@caliber.demon.co.uk>,
Barry Cowles <barry@caliber.demon.co.uk> wrote:
: Don't know if anyone can help here but, I am connecting to SCO
: xenix from a Windows 95 box via C-Kermit and mskermit 315.
: Generally the connection seems O.K. but I am getting a message
: to the effect that at the 95 end that it is unable to find the
: hardware and is using the bios instead. Does anybody know what
: might be causing this.
:
MS-DOS Kermit is not supported on Windows 95. We have a completely different
Kermit program for Windows 95 (and Windows NT, and OS/2) -- Kermit 95:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html
It works on both serial and Winsock connections (Telnet and Rlogin), and it
is better suited for connections to SCO systems since it supports SCOANSI
terminal emulation.
- Frank
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: 314kermit for windows
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In article <19970606113501.HAA18508@ladder02.news.aol.com>,
RJames4706 <rjames4706@aol.com> wrote:
: I have installed Kermit(Windows) to dial into my server at work.
:
What is the name and version number of the Kermit program? Which version
of Windows are you talking about?
: Currently I use a DOS version of Kermit which works fine but I need to use
: the Windows version now. My problem is on the Windows version I connect
: to the server okay, but when I type a number or letter it does not
: display until I type the next number or letter when both display. This
: causes immediate problems once I'm in the program. Any Help would be
: greatly appreciated.
:
MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 is the Kermit software for Windows 3.x. Kermit 95 is
the Kermit software for Windows 95, Windows NT, and OS/2. Make sure you are
using the appropriate software and you have read the accompanying
documentation:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/
- Frank
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Kermit Problems With Serial Port
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In article <$myWVCAK5+lzEwYe@caliber.demon.co.uk>, Barry Cowles <barry@caliber.demon.co.uk> writes:
> Hi
> Don't know if anyone can help here but, I am connecting to SCO
> xenix from a Windows 95 box via C-Kermit and mskermit 315.
> Generally the connection seems O.K. but I am getting a message
> to the effect that at the 95 end that it is unable to find the
> hardware and is using the bios instead. Does anybody know what
> might be causing this.
> Many thanks.
> --
> Barry Cowles
--------
Win95 takes over the real serial port hardware and presents
fakes to programs in the DOS box. I suspect you do not have the real
serial ports configured under Win95, or something else owns the port
you want.
Joe D.
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: MS Kermit For DOS Setup for TCP/IP
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In article <339647d5.364150@news.pacific.net.sg>, hotjava@pacific.net.sg (Petho) writes:
> Hi,
> I'm currently having trouble trying to connect to a Unix system from
> MS Kermit under DOS using Novell's IPXODI.
----------
You are loading Novell's TCP/IP stack, apparently, at the same
time as you are trying to use MS-DOS Kermit's TCP/IP stack, and that's
fatal. Only one protocol stack of a given kind (say TCP/IP) can run over
a given lan adapter. To unload Novell's stack say TCPIP UNLOAD; to load
it again say TCPIP.
Also, there is no need to have a BIND section if there are no
choices of boards to be made (no alternatives). No harm having it though.
Joe D.
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From: andy@defsdoor.demon.co.uk (Andrew Porter)
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Subject: Re: Kermit Problems With Serial Port
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On Fri, 6 Jun 1997 12:02:34 +0100, Barry Cowles
<barry@caliber.demon.co.uk> wrote:
>Hi
> Don't know if anyone can help here but, I am connecting to SCO
> xenix from a Windows 95 box via C-Kermit and mskermit 315.
> Generally the connection seems O.K. but I am getting a message
> to the effect that at the 95 end that it is unable to find the
> hardware and is using the bios instead. Does anybody know what
> might be causing this.
>Many thanks.
>--
>Barry Cowles
Windows 95 has 'nicked' the port. If you exit kermit and start it
again the port will be yours for the taking. Its a royal pain in the
arse, but I get around it by checking the\v(port) variable and if it
isn't com? (whatever I chose) then I quit straight out.
Its strange, but - for me anyway - Windows 95 takes the port away for
every alternate external use of it.
Aren't Microsoft great ?
Andrew Porter
http://www.defsdoor.demon.co.uk
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can anyone help sending files between dos 6.22 and win95 dos
thanks Tak
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Hi all
In my linux box I setup dumb terminal with kermit 3.15 (dos) and it's
working very well (terminal emulation, transfering files, etc...).
Now I'm trying printer files in the printer in the dumb terminal side
(dos with kermit 3.15).
If possible please send me scripts examples for this job or point to
me get the correct informations.
Any help would be appreciated
(Any critique to my article or mail would be appreciated too !!!)
"Please don't flame. I'm an poor newbie
Pentium 133 Mhz, 16 MB, CD ROM 4X SB16
Linux 2.0.27 Slackware 3.1 (96) Boot Disk
hda (w95), hdb1 (dos) and hdb2,3 (LINUX)
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: kermit 3.11 win95 to dos 6.22
Date: 8 Jun 1997 16:40:07 GMT
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In article <33946D59.4093@compuserve.com>, Tak <Pennmed@compuserve.com> wrote:
: can anyone help sending files between dos 6.22 and win95 dos
:
In DOS, use MS-DOS Kermit 3.14:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html
In Windows 95, use Kermit 95:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/
Read the documentation for each program for instructions.
The easiest way to do this is to start the connection from MS-DOS Kermit
on the DOS PC. You can make a direct serial connection, a dialup connection,
or a TCP/IP Telnet connection. On the Windows 95 PC, use Kermit 95's host
mode -- it provides a login screen and a menu allowing file transfer within
a restricted set of directories.
- Frank
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: How setup kemit to printer files in the remote terminal ????
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In article <5nboqg$hfd@srv4-poa.nutecnet.com.br>,
aff <adfey@nutecnet.com.br> wrote:
: In my linux box I setup dumb terminal with kermit 3.15 (dos) and it's
: working very well (terminal emulation, transfering files, etc...).
:
: Now I'm trying printer files in the printer in the dumb terminal side
: (dos with kermit 3.15).
:
Are you running MS-DOS *on* the Linux PC, or on another PC that is
connected to Linux? If you are running MS-DOS Kermit on the Linux
PC, then you must be using a DOS emulator under Linux. In that case,
whether you can print from Kermit depends on whether the DOS emulator
give Kermit access to the Linux printer.
: If possible please send me scripts examples for this job or point to
: me get the correct informations.
:
This question is far too general. Exactly what do you want to print?
Files on the Linux system? Files on the system you are connecting to
with Kermit?
To get started, look in MS-DOS Kermit's UTILS subdirectory for a
collection of printer-related materials.
- Frank
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From: manning@execpc.com (Steve Manning)
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Subject: Re: k95 native windows update?
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fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) wrote:
>In article <u913eldq2.fsf@worldnet.att.net>,
>Thomas A. Horsley <Tom.Horsley@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
>: I see no one has asked for a while when the native windows version of k95
>: will show up, so I figured I'd go ahead and take the plunge this time :-).
>:
>Not to pick nits, but K95 has always been a 100% native 32-bit Windows 95
>and NT application. The fact that it runs in a console window does not mean
>it is not native. If it was not a native application, it would not run in
>multiple threads, use 32-bit Winsock, understand long filenames, access the
>system through 32-bit APIs and drivers, etc.
>
>So to be precise, we are talking about the conversion of an already fully
>native console program to a full-GUI (graphical user interface) application
>of the sort that most Windows users expect to see.
>
>: I dimly recall that March was once mentioned as a possible time frame,
>: and since March has just about run out, I thought I'd ask how its going.
>:
>: So: Hows it going?
>To answer your question -- it doesn't look as if it will be ready in March,
>or even April. Given the incredible number of roadblocks we run into at
>every turn, we have given up on setting tentative release dates. But yes,
>we are working on it full time, and the end is in sight.
>
>- Frank
I'll confess to raging curiosity as to how the GUI product is coming
along since this was posted in late March. Any *brief* updates you'd
care to share with us, Frank?
Steve Manning
Mega Marts
Milwaukee, WI
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: k95 native windows update?
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In article <339c3340.5825352@news.execpc.com>,
Steve Manning <manning@execpc.com> wrote:
:::: [queries on K95 GUI progress...]
:
: I'll confess to raging curiosity as to how the GUI product is coming
: along since this was posted in late March. Any *brief* updates you'd
: care to share with us, Frank?
:
Several major components of the GUI version have recently been completed,
and rather than make everybody wait until the rest of the compenents are
done, we're going to release One More Console Veresion, most likely this
week. Watch this space for the announcement.
- Frank
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From: ciaraldi@tiac.net (Michael Ciaraldi)
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Subject: Problem Building HP-UX 9 C-Kermit
Date: 11 Jun 1997 19:34:32 GMT
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I downloaded the source from Columbia and compiled it with GCC
with the command "make hpux90gcc".
This compiled and linked without error.
However, when I run it does not work correctly.
I can start kermit, set the line and speed, then connect.
Anything I type on my keyboard does not go out the serial port,
but things that come into the serial port from the other system
appear on my screen OK. As I mentioned, the old version of
Kermit works fine in this situation.
Any ideas?
I do have one clue: I wrote a program a few weeks ago
that used select() and it does not seem to work properly either.
In this case the program is waiting on a socket using a select().
If one character gets sent to the socket the select() returns.
I then read the character and do the select() again, and it always returns
as if there were data in the socket. But when it
reads the socket there are no characters available.
BTW, I am properly initializing the flags each time I call the select().
I suspect that there is a bug in select() in this version of HP-UX.
thanks,
Mike Ciaraldi
ciaraldi@ciaraldi.com (preferred) or
ciaraldi@tiac.net
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Problem Building HP-UX 9 C-Kermit
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In article <5nmuk8$r4r@news-central.tiac.net>,
Michael Ciaraldi <ciaraldi@tiac.net> wrote:
: I downloaded the source from Columbia and compiled it with GCC
: with the command "make hpux90gcc".
: This compiled and linked without error.
:
: However, when I run it does not work correctly.
: I can start kermit, set the line and speed, then connect.
: Anything I type on my keyboard does not go out the serial port,
: but things that come into the serial port from the other system
: appear on my screen OK. As I mentioned, the old version of
: Kermit works fine in this situation.
:
: Any ideas?
:
Just a guess: you are trying to run this version of Kermit on HP-UX 10.10 or
10.20. In that case you used the wrong makefile entry -- you must use one
of the hpux100* entries.
>From ckuker.bwr, item 3.2.4:
Beginning in 10.10, libcurses is linked to libxcurses, the new UNIX95
(X/Open) version of curses, which has some serious bugs; some routines, when
called, would hang and never return, some would dump core. Evidently
libxcurses contains a select() routine, and whenever C-Kermit calls what it
thinks is the regular (sockets) select(), it gets the curses one, causing a
segmentation fault. There is a patch for this from HP, PHCO_8086, "s700_800
10.10 libcurses patch", "shared lib curses program hangs on 10.10", "10.10
enhanced X/Open curses core dumps due to using wrong select call", 96/08/02
(you can tell if the patch is installed with "what /usr/lib/libxcurses.1";
the unpatched version is 76.20, the patched one is 76.20.1.2. It has been
verified that C-Kermit works OK with the patched library, but results are
not definite for HP-UX 10.20 or higher.
To ensure that C-Kermit works even on non-patched HP-UX 10.10 systems,
separate makefile entries are provided for HP-UX 10.00/10.01, 10.10, 10.20,
etc, in which the entries for 10.10 and above link with libHcurses, which is
"HP curses", the one that was used in 10.00/10.01.
(end quote)
More info about C-Kermit 6.0 at:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html
- Frank
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From: ciaraldi@tiac.net (Michael Ciaraldi)
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Subject: Resend #2: Problem Building HP-UX 9 C-Kermit
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I am running an HP 9000 PA-RISC workstation under HP-UX 9.07.
The kermit that comes with it, C-Kermit 4E(072) works all right,
but I wanted to get the newest version.
I downloaded the source from Columbia and compiled it with GCC
with the command "make hpux90gcc".
This compiled and linked without error.
However, when I run it does not work correctly.
I can start kermit, set the line and speed, then connect.
Anything I type on my keyboard does not go out the serial port,
but things that come into the serial port from the other system
appear on my screen OK. As I mentioned, the old version of
Kermit works fine in this situation.
Any ideas?
I do have one clue: I wrote a program a few weeks ago
that used select() and it does not seem to work properly either.
In this case the program is waiting on a socket using a select().
If one character gets sent to the socket the select() returns.
I then read the character and do the select() again, and it always returns
as if there were data in the socket. But when it
reads the socket there are no characters available.
BTW, I am properly initializing the flags each time I call the select().
I suspect that there is a bug in select() in this version of HP-UX.
thanks,
Mike Ciaraldi
ciaraldi@ciaraldi.com (preferred) or
ciaraldi@tiac.net
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From: apkenned@telalink.net (Alan P. Kennedy, Sr)
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Hi,
I have kermit/2 and ckermit-6, and need to find a way to capture text
data without any escape sequences? I have read the manual but really
don't see away to do this.
With kermit/2 I can cut and paste but I much rather save everything to
a session log than do this every time. I also want to collect the
information that I enter in the session. Therefore trying download to a
text file would not work either. Are there any other options that I'm
missing?
When I use the "log session" command it captures everything including
terminal (vt) escape sequences.
Thanks,
Alan
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <5nmvka$sc0@news-central.tiac.net>,
Michael Ciaraldi <ciaraldi@tiac.net> wrote:
: I am running an HP 9000 PA-RISC workstation under HP-UX 9.07.
: The kermit that comes with it, C-Kermit 4E(072) works all right,
: but I wanted to get the newest version.
:
: I downloaded the source from Columbia and compiled it with GCC
: with the command "make hpux90gcc".
: This compiled and linked without error.
:
: However, when I run it does not work correctly.
: I can start kermit, set the line and speed, then connect.
: Anything I type on my keyboard does not go out the serial port,
: but things that come into the serial port from the other system
: appear on my screen OK. As I mentioned, the old version of
: Kermit works fine in this situation.
:
OK, so it's not 10.10 or later... C-Kermit 6.0.192 has been built
with gcc and tested successfully on 9.07, but not by me personally.
However, I have built and tested it on 9.05 with the HP compiler.
: Any ideas?
:
Probably some peculiarity of your system's setup -- conflicting
libraries and/or header files or somesuch. Maybe you installed a
new version of HP-UX or the HP compilers or gcc without running
fixincludes?
In any case, try the prebuilt binaries from here:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60ubin.html
Or try building at your place with the HP compiler (yes, I know
the regular one is not optimized) instead of gcc.
- Frank
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: How to capture only text data with Kermit?
Date: 12 Jun 1997 13:05:37 GMT
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In article <m3910gu396.fsf@home.telalink.net>,
Alan P. Kennedy, Sr <apkenned@telalink.net> wrote:
: I have kermit/2 and ckermit-6, and need to find a way to capture text
: data without any escape sequences? I have read the manual but really
: don't see away to do this.
:
: With kermit/2 I can cut and paste but I much rather save everything to
: a session log than do this every time. I also want to collect the
: information that I enter in the session. Therefore trying download to a
: text file would not work either. Are there any other options that I'm
: missing?
:
: When I use the "log session" command it captures everything including
: terminal (vt) escape sequences.
:
In Kermit/2 (i.e. Kermit 95 for OS/2):
SET PRINTER <filename>
And then use Alt-O to activate "copy screen lines to printer".
- Frank
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Announcing Kermit 95 1.1.12 for Windows 95, Windows NT, and OS/2
Date: 12 Jun 1997 15:05:16 GMT
Organization: Columbia University
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Kermit 95 1.1.12 is now available as a patch to registered users of previous
Kermit 95 releases for Windows 95, Windows NT, and OS/2. This is a major new
release of Kermit 95, but no, it is not the long-awaited full-GUI release, but
it is a big step on the way. It replaces version 1.1.11 of 8 February 1997.
The new features of version 1.1.12 include:
. Microsoft Telephony (TAPI) support
. Support for 10-digit and other special dialing methods
. Support for 132 columns and other screen sizes in Windows 95
. File transfer pipes and filters
. Web browser interface ("URL hot spots")
. Greek character-set translation in file transfer and terminal emulation
. Lots more
The full announcement appears on comp.protocols.kermit.announce.
HOW TO GET IT
Kermit 95 1.1.12 is available as a patch to version 1.1.11 or earlier.
Current registered users of Kermit 95 can download the 1.1.11 upgrade patch
from our BBS or from our Web site:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95patch.html
or with ftp:
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/k95/patches/
All the new features are documented in the updated UPDATES.TXT file that
comes in the patch, and in the updated BUGS.TXT file.
Academic site or bulk licensees that have customized their DIALINF.DAT
files will need to send them in so we can convert them to the new format,
since the regular patch will fail (since it only knows what the original
DIALINF.DAT contained, not your customized version). Contact us by email
about this at:
kermit-support@columbia.edu
This is the final major release of Kermit 95 before the conversion to full
GUI is complete later this year. There might be minor corrective patches
between now and then, but nothing more. If you have any difficulty with
the patches or the new version, please report them by email to the address
above.
Frank da Cruz & Christine M. Gianone
Managers, The Kermit Project
Columbia University
New York City
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From: shark7@best.com (Timothy Stark)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Where are graphics terminals?
Date: 13 Jun 1997 13:11:15 GMT
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Hi Folks:
In the past, I used PC Kermit that have graphics emulations like Tek and
others. Today I found out that Kermit 95 does not have them when I read
your announcement about new Kermit 95. What happened to graphics
emulations?!
-- Tim Stark
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: C-Kermit binary needed for ESIX
Date: 13 Jun 1997 13:43:27 GMT
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Someone is asking for a C-Kermit binary for "ESSIX R4.0.4" on an a 486 PC.
They probably mean ESIX, but who knows. Can anybody out there build one?
The source code is at:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cku192.tar.{Z,gz}
Please let me know. Thanks!
- Frank
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Where are graphics terminals?
Date: 13 Jun 1997 14:10:40 GMT
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In article <5nrgtj$mll$1@nntp1.ba.best.com>,
Timothy Stark <shark7@best.com> wrote:
: In the past, I used PC Kermit that have graphics emulations like Tek and
: others. Today I found out that Kermit 95 does not have them when I read
: your announcement about new Kermit 95. What happened to graphics
: emulations?!
:
Contrary to widespread belief, Kermit 95 is not MS-DOS Kermit repackaged
for 32-bit Windows and OS/2. It is an entirely separate program that does
not share even one line of code with MS-DOS Kermit.
As noted in the Web page:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html
Kermit 95 is -- for the present -- a console application and therefore
prohibited from drawing graphics. So no graphic terminal emulations (Tek,
Sixel, etc) until after the conversion to full GUI is complete.
Sorry, these things take time.
- Frank
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From: dold@10.usenet.us.com
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Subject: Re: C-Kermit binary needed for ESIX
Date: 13 Jun 1997 16:58:42 GMT
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Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: Someone is asking for a C-Kermit binary for "ESSIX R4.0.4" on an a 486 PC.
: They probably mean ESIX, but who knows. Can anybody out there build one?
: The source code is at:
: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html
: ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/archives/cku192.tar.{Z,gz}
I thought I sent you a copy for filing...
Maybe not, since I didn't build it on an ESIX machine.
I don't have a compiler on the ESIX 4.0.4 box, but I compiled with ESIX
switches on a Unixware box, and the binary seems to be fine on ESIX.
It is used every day for file downloads to multiple PC's.
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From: dsew@packrat.aml.arizona.edu (David Sewell)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Announcing Kermit 95 1.1.12 for Windows 95, Windows NT, and OS/2
Date: 12 Jun 1997 19:14:45 GMT
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In article <5np317$6qv$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>Kermit 95 1.1.12 is now available as a patch to registered users of previous
>Kermit 95 releases for Windows 95, Windows NT, and OS/2. This is a major new
>release of Kermit 95, but no, it is not the long-awaited full-GUI release, but
>it is a big step on the way. It replaces version 1.1.11 of 8 February 1997.
The OS/2 patch wouldn't replace my .EXE files, so after running it
I'm still getting version 1.1.11. I'll append the PATCH.ERR file that
was generated. Any suggestions on how to proceed would be appreciated.
(The program is a registered copy.)
Thanks,
David Sewell, U of Arizona Geosciences
===== ======= = == ======= ===========
[file PATCH.ERR]
ENTRY: cko32i12.dll
warning wpt0036: Old File not found. However, a file of the same name was
found. No update done since file contents do not match.
ENTRY: cko32i20.dll
warning wpt0036: Old File not found. However, a file of the same name was
found. No update done since file contents do not match.
ENTRY: cko32rt.dll
warning wpt0036: Old File not found. However, a file of the same name was
found. No update done since file contents do not match.
ENTRY: k2clip.exe
warning wpt0036: Old File not found. However, a file of the same name was
found. No update done since file contents do not match.
ENTRY: k2dc.exe
warning wpt0036: Old File not found. However, a file of the same name was
found. No update done since file contents do not match.
ENTRY: k2reg.exe
warning wpt0036: Old File not found. However, a file of the same name was
found. No update done since file contents do not match.
ENTRY: p2.dll
warning wpt0036: Old File not found. However, a file of the same name was
found. No update done since file contents do not match.
ENTRY: rlogin.exe
warning wpt0036: Old File not found. However, a file of the same name was
found. No update done since file contents do not match.
ENTRY: setup.exe
warning wpt0015: Old File does not exist
ENTRY: telnet.exe
warning wpt0036: Old File not found. However, a file of the same name was
found. No update done since file contents do not match.
ENTRY: telnetpm.exe
warning wpt0036: Old File not found. However, a file of the same name was
found. No update done since file contents do not match.
ENTRY: k2.exe
warning wpt0036: Old File not found. However, a file of the same name was
found. No update done since file contents do not match.
ENTRY: k2dial.exe
warning wpt0036: Old File not found. However, a file of the same name was
found. No update done since file contents do not match.
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Subject: I can't find the Digital Age article
Date: 13 Jun 1997 17:01:13 GMT
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I know there is an article about Kermit in the May issue of Digital Age, but
I can't locate a print copy.
I've visited the online version, but I can't locate the proper article,
only feature articles (of which, Kermit should certainly be ;-)
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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Announcing Kermit 95 1.1.12 for Windows 95, Windows NT, and OS/2
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: In article <5np317$6qv$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
: Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: >Kermit 95 1.1.12 is now available as a patch to registered users of
: >Kermit 95 releases for Windows 95, Windows NT, and OS/2. This is a
: >release of Kermit 95, but no, it is not the long-awaited full-GUI
: >it is a big step on the way. It replaces version 1.1.11 of 8
David Sewell (dsew@packrat.aml.arizona.edu) wrote:
: The OS/2 patch wouldn't replace my .EXE files, so after running it
: I'm still getting version 1.1.11. I'll append the PATCH.ERR file that
: was generated. Any suggestions on how to proceed would be appreciated.
: (The program is a registered copy.)
Mine didn't install either.
The patch log tells me that several old files do not match, including
K95.exe.
It would be nice if the newly released version were available as a release,
rather than a sequence of patches with unknown dependencies.
When the GUI comes out, please make it a proper release.
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From: meregalli@cesi.it (Alberto Meregalli (DIF))
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Spurious GOLD key on MS-Kermit 3.14
Message-ID: <1997Jun16.120504.1295@cesi>
Date: 16 Jun 97 12:05:04 +0200
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I use MSKermit 3.14 as a terminal emulator in Windows 3.1. I use also
WPGGOLD because I need to emulate VT320. The protocol is LAT.
I often jump across windows and sometime -- I can't tell how often,
but it's not too seldom -- after jumping to a MSK window it sees a
spurious GOLD key and behaves consequently. I couldn't see a mention
of that in the documentation of MS-Kermit, both the book and the
beware file. Has anybody seen that? How could I prevent it?
regards
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: I can't find the Digital Age article
Date: 16 Jun 1997 14:48:47 GMT
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In article <5nrucp$seg@bug.rahul.net>, <dold@network.rahul.net> wrote:
: I know there is an article about Kermit in the May issue of Digital Age, but
: I can't locate a print copy.
:
: I've visited the online version, but I can't locate the proper article,
: only feature articles (of which, Kermit should certainly be ;-)
:
They didn't put this article online, so we can't link to it from our website,
and they don't allow wholesale reproduction of it without permission (because
this is the business of reprint companies), but "fair use" quotation is
allowed by law and, in fact, a quote from the poster is included in the new
C-Kermit 6.0 reviews section of our website:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60reviews.html
which also includes excerpts from the six-page feature article on C-Kermit
by Jim Dennis in the current (July 1997) issue of Sys Admin magazine.
- Frank
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Announcing Kermit 95 1.1.12 for Windows 95, Windows NT, and OS/2
Date: 16 Jun 1997 14:53:34 GMT
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In article <5o1l5n$89d@bug.rahul.net>, <dold@network.rahul.net> wrote:
: : In article <5np317$6qv$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
: : Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: : >Kermit 95 1.1.12 is now available as a patch to registered users of
: : >Kermit 95 releases for Windows 95, Windows NT, and OS/2. This is a
: : >release of Kermit 95, but no, it is not the long-awaited full-GUI
: : >it is a big step on the way. It replaces version 1.1.11 of 8
:
: David Sewell (dsew@packrat.aml.arizona.edu) wrote:
: : The OS/2 patch wouldn't replace my .EXE files, so after running it
: : I'm still getting version 1.1.11. I'll append the PATCH.ERR file that
: : was generated. Any suggestions on how to proceed would be appreciated.
: : (The program is a registered copy.)
:
: Mine didn't install either.
: The patch log tells me that several old files do not match, including
: K95.exe.
: It would be nice if the newly released version were available as a release,
: rather than a sequence of patches with unknown dependencies.
: When the GUI comes out, please make it a proper release.
:
If anybody has troubles with the patch process, we are here to help -- like
it said in the announcement. The fastest way to get help is to send email
to kermit-support@columbia.edu.
- Frank
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Subject: Re: Announcing Kermit 95 1.1.12 for Windows 95, Windows NT, and OS/2
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Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu) wrote:
: If anybody has troubles with the patch process, we are here to help -- like
: it said in the announcement. The fastest way to get help is to send email
: to kermit-support@columbia.edu.
Hey, no need to send email ;-)
My posting, on a Sunday, was answered on Sunday via email from Jeff.
While we bandied about the patch mechanism, I noticed that my previous
patch to 1.11 had apparently failed, leaving the K95.exe at 1.1.8
I applied the 1.1.8-1.1.12 patch successfully.
So, when I CTRL-click on a URL name in a K-95 window, I spawn a copy of my
Web Browser, pointed to that page.
If I click a second URL, it spawns a second copy of a browser. Would
it be optional to invoke the new page on the existing browser?
--
---
Clarence A Dold - dold@network.rahul.net
- Pope Valley & Napa CA.
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Announcing Kermit 95 1.1.12 for Windows 95, Windows NT, and OS/2
Date: 16 Jun 1997 18:47:30 GMT
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In article <5o40t1$a3n@bug.rahul.net>, <dold@network.rahul.net> wrote:
: ...
: So, when I CTRL-click on a URL name in a K-95 window, I spawn a copy of
: my Web Browser, pointed to that page.
: If I click a second URL, it spawns a second copy of a browser. Would
: it be optional to invoke the new page on the existing browser?
:
Not currently -- that's how we wanted to do it in the first place, but that
would require knowing the API for every release of every browser on every
platform, so for now we just start a new browser. It's not as dumb an
approach as it might seem, however, since multiple browsers share the same
memory for pure code in Windows 95, Windows NT, and OS/2. But yes, we do
plan to revisit this question subsequent releases.
- Frank
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Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Announcing Kermit 95 1.1.12 for Windows 95, Windows NT, and OS/2
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>Not currently -- that's how we wanted to do it in the first place, but that
>would require knowing the API for every release of every browser on every
>platform, so for now we just start a new browser. It's not as dumb an
>approach as it might seem, however, since multiple browsers share the same
>memory for pure code in Windows 95, Windows NT, and OS/2. But yes, we do
>plan to revisit this question subsequent releases.
Not true - a browser independent API is already defined by Microsoft (but
admittedly doesn't work on pre 4.0 versions of NT). For example, this little
program will invoke a browser if it has to or just tell the existing browser
to jump to the given URL, and it don't know 'nuthin about any browser:
#include <stdio.h>
#include <windows.h>
#include <shellapi.h>
int __cdecl
main(int argc, char **argv) {
if (argc == 2) {
ShellExecute(0, 0, argv[1], 0, 0, SW_NORMAL);
} else {
fputs("Please call with a single argument (a URL)\n", stderr);
exit(2);
}
return 0;
}
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From: laird@asphodel.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Announcing Kermit 95 1.1.12 for Windows 95, Windows NT, and OS/2
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fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
>: If I click a second URL, it spawns a second copy of a browser. Would
>: it be optional to invoke the new page on the existing browser?
>:
>Not currently -- that's how we wanted to do it in the first place, but that
>would require knowing the API for every release of every browser on every
>platform,
...or simply getting users to write their own interfaces.
All you need to do is write a simple program which either
starts up a new browser with the given URL or directs the
current browser to the given URL.
Then just call that program instead of the browser. I
did this for a hack of NN which I could trigger from
XMosaic.
--kyler
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Announcing Kermit 95 1.1.12 for Windows 95, Windows NT, and OS/2
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In article <5o4j0f$ivo@mozo.cc.purdue.edu>,
Kyler Laird <laird@asphodel.ecn.purdue.edu> wrote:
: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
: >: If I click a second URL, it spawns a second copy of a
: >: browser. Would it be optional to invoke the new page
: >: on the existing browser?
: >:
: >Not currently -- that's how we wanted to do it in the
: >first place, but that would require knowing the API for
: >every release of every browser on every platform,
:
: ...or simply getting users to write their own interfaces.
: All you need to do is write a simple program which either
: starts up a new browser with the given URL or directs the
: current browser to the given URL.
:
: Then just call that program instead of the browser. I
: did this for a hack of NN which I could trigger from
: XMosaic.
:
A "user exit"? That would be good if all of our users were
programmers and had programming tools at their disposal.
But it begs the larger question of "Kermit APIs" in general.
Like I said, we'll revisit the browser issue in future
releases. Yesterday, Tom Horsley suggested a "universal
API" for invoking a browser, but it would take a lot of
testing and verification to see how universal it really
was: Windows 95 original, "B", SR2; Windows NT 3.51 and 4.0
(on Intel, Alpha, and Power PC); OS/2 2.0, 2.1, 3.0, 4.0.
Each of these in combination with every release of every
browser -- nothing is ever that easy.
As for "user exits", DDE, OCX, and so on -- that's another
question that's been on our list for some time. We can't
do everything at once.
- Frank
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News wrote in article <5o5a76$792@reader1.reader.news.ozemail.net>...
|Hi,
|
|Can someone tell me how to set up kermit 6 to act as a server using
|TCP/IP.
|I am running this on a SGI (IRIX 5.3) and have read all the doco I can.
|
|I can only presume the information I require is in the printed
|documentation.
|
|
|Regards Steve Rance : mailto:stever@ozemail.com.au
|
|
|
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <5o5aqa$48f@reader1.reader.news.ozemail.net>,
Steve Rance <stever@ozemail.com.au> wrote:
: News wrote in article <5o5a76$792@reader1.reader.news.ozemail.net>...
: |Can someone tell me how to set up kermit 6 to act as a server using
: |TCP/IP. I am running this on a SGI (IRIX 5.3) and have read all the
: |doco I can. I can only presume the information I require is in the
: |printed documentation.
:
Yes, you should purchase the manual:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html
The information is on pages 127-128, and in other pertinent sections
(how to set up and configure a server, etc). The manual can be ordered
in Australia by calling (03) 9245 7111. The ISBN is 1-55558-164-1.
To answer your question briefly: "set host *" waits for a connection to
come in. This is best done from a script.
- Frank
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From: laird@asphodel.ecn.purdue.edu (Kyler Laird)
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit.misc
Subject: Re: Announcing Kermit 95 1.1.12 for Windows 95, Windows NT, and OS/2
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fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
>: Then just call that program instead of the browser. I
>: did this for a hack of NN which I could trigger from
>: XMosaic.
>A "user exit"? That would be good if all of our users were
>programmers and had programming tools at their disposal.
...or if all users could use some large resource (let's
call it "the Web") to download such tools created by
other users.
>As for "user exits", DDE, OCX, and so on -- that's another
>question that's been on our list for some time. We can't
>do everything at once.
Understood. Someday, when I find a reason to upgrade
from C-Kermit 5A(191), I might poke around in this, too.
--kyler
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I have a PC (pentium-166 & win95) wanting to connect serially to a Unix
application. I had a terminfo that worked great with MS-kermit 3.13.
The MS-kermit 3.13 causes a "divide overflow". I downloaded 3.15 which
fixed the divide overflow problem but the colors are really dark and
dim. Is there anyway to restore the old terminal emulation
functionality from 3.13 to 3.15?
Thanks in advance,
bweston@spillman.com
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <33A6ECC4.640ED0F8@spillman.com>,
Brian W <bweston@spillman.com> wrote:
: I have a PC (pentium-166 & win95) wanting to connect serially to a Unix
: application. I had a terminfo that worked great with MS-kermit 3.13.
: The MS-kermit 3.13 causes a "divide overflow". I downloaded 3.15 which
: fixed the divide overflow problem but the colors are really dark and
: dim. Is there anyway to restore the old terminal emulation
: functionality from 3.13 to 3.15?
:
MS-DOS Kermit is not supported under Windows 95 or NT. Kermit 95 is the
supported and recommended Kermit software for those platforms:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html
- Frank
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Subject: Re: Announcing Kermit 95 1.1.12 for Windows 95, Windows NT, and OS/2
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>Like I said, we'll revisit the browser issue in future
>releases. Yesterday, Tom Horsley suggested a "universal
>API" for invoking a browser, but it would take a lot of
>testing and verification to see how universal it really
>was: Windows 95 original, "B", SR2; Windows NT 3.51 and 4.0
>(on Intel, Alpha, and Power PC); OS/2 2.0, 2.1, 3.0, 4.0.
The "shell extensions" (which is what the ShellExecute function is part of)
are on all versions of Windows 95 and on NT 4.0 and later. They definitely
didn't exist on NT 3.51. (Wait, you mean you don't trust Microsoft
documentation to match reality? :-).
OS/2 I know nothing about...
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From: David Richardson <davidr@netscape.com>
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I have a script that is dialing a number, then outputting a key, then
receiving a file. The remote site is seeing the key but I am not able to
receive the file. If someone could look at this script and give me some
ideal what I am doing wrong. I would appreciate it.
set terminal autodownload on
set terminal debug on
set transfer display none
set input echo on
show terminal
call usrobotics /dev/ttyc 9600 9,6666666
output \13
input 10
if fail end 1 No prompt!
pause 5
output 66666\13
pause 10
if fail end 1 No Prepare system message!!
output receive\13
Thanks
David R.
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Date: 18 Jun 1997 14:50:21 GMT
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In article <33A676E9.1980@netscape.com>,
David Richardson <davidr@netscape.com> wrote:
: I have a script that is dialing a number, then outputting a key, then
: receiving a file. The remote site is seeing the key but I am not able to
: receive the file. If someone could look at this script and give me some
: ideal what I am doing wrong. I would appreciate it.
:
: set terminal autodownload on
: set terminal debug on
: set transfer display none
: set input echo on
:
: show terminal
:
: call usrobotics /dev/ttyc 9600 9,6666666
:
What if the call is not completed? You need an "if fail" here.
: output \13
: input 10
: if fail end 1 No prompt!
: pause 5
: output 66666\13
:
: pause 10
: if fail end 1 No Prepare system message!!
: output receive\13
:
This sends "receive" and then a carriage return to the other side. Is
that what you want? Are you trying to send a file or receive one?
See the chapters on script programming in the manual, "Using C-Kermit",
for numerous examples of how to do this:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60manual.html
- Frank
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Announcing Kermit 95 1.1.12 for Windows 95, Windows NT, and OS/2
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In article <upvtkalpc.fsf@worldnet.att.net>,
Thomas A. Horsley <Tom.Horsley@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
: >Like I said, we'll revisit the browser issue in future
: >releases. Yesterday, Tom Horsley suggested a "universal
: >API" for invoking a browser, but it would take a lot of
: >testing and verification to see how universal it really
: >was: Windows 95 original, "B", SR2; Windows NT 3.51 and 4.0
: >(on Intel, Alpha, and Power PC); OS/2 2.0, 2.1, 3.0, 4.0.
:
: The "shell extensions" (which is what the ShellExecute
: function is part of) are on all versions of Windows 95 and
: on NT 4.0 and later. They definitely didn't exist on NT
: 3.51. (Wait, you mean you don't trust Microsoft
: documentation to match reality? :-).
:
No comment.
So fine, it's available in Windows 95 and NT 4.0++. But that
doesn't say anything about the browsers. How many browsers
exist for these platforms? (We know about Netscape and IE,
but there are many others, less well known, no?) How many
different releases of each browser? Do they all allow
themselves to be invoked in this way? If somebody has the
answers to these questions, it might save us a lot of work.
- Frank
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From: Rich Pieri <rich.pieri@prescienttech.com>
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Subject: Re: Announcing Kermit 95 1.1.12 for Windows 95, Windows NT, and OS/2
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FdC> Do they all allow themselves to be invoked in this way? If somebody
FdC> has the answers to these questions, it might save us a lot of work.
*EVERY* application installed on a Windows 95 or Windows/NT 4.0 machine is
supposed to create the proper Shell Execute Registry entries so that you do
not have to do any extra work. This is thoroughly and accurately
documented by Microsoft. If the application installer does not create
these keys then it is broken.
By the by, the last version of Navigator that did not create shelex keys is
1.22, which predates both Windows 95 and Windows/NT 4.0.
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I just installed the .12 update to Kermit95, and I'm not sure how I
lved without the WWWebBrowser interface all these years, thanks!
Would it be possible to clean up URLs slightly before passing them off
to the browser (in the next release)? The major problem is that when
people write URLs in mail or news they tend to put periods at the end,
so you try to get things like http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html.
Usually the ending period is so small and the error message is just
misleading enough that it looks like the page is invalid...
Thanks!
--
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#define NII Information SuperCollider
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From: Tom.Horsley@worldnet.att.net (Thomas A. Horsley)
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Subject: Re: Announcing Kermit 95 1.1.12 for Windows 95, Windows NT, and OS/2
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>How many different releases of each browser? Do they all allow themselves
>to be invoked in this way? If somebody has the answers to these questions,
>it might save us a lot of work.
The way the shell extensions really work "under the hood" should mean that
any browser can be successfully invoked. The ShellExecute function really
winds up looking up information in the registry which describes how to
invoke the browser and if it has a DDE interface so it can talk to an
existing copy. Even if some browser doesn't support the DDE or OLE
interfaces to allow an existing browser to be switched to a new URL
remotely, the registry entries can still describe how to invoke a new copy
with an argument passed in, so in the worst case, it would be able to do
what kermit does today, but in the best case, it would use the existing
browser (but it is hard to imagine anyone shipping a browser today that
doesn't support the fancy interface, at least if they expect anyone to
actually be willing to use it).
The whole "shell extensions" stuff really just boils down to a fancier set
of code that still does just about the same thing the original feature that
"associated" a tool with a file extension did, only now it can recognize
more complicated stuff than a simple file extension (like a leading
"http://" instead of a trailing ".doc", etc.).
--
See <URL:http://home.att.net/~Tom.Horsley> for
information on Government by Performance
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From: jaltman@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Jeffrey Altman)
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Subject: Re: Announcing Kermit 95 1.1.12 for Windows 95, Windows NT, and OS/2
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In article <u205za39h.fsf@worldnet.att.net>,
Thomas A. Horsley <Tom.Horsley@worldnet.att.net> wrote:
: >How many different releases of each browser? Do they all allow themselves
: >to be invoked in this way? If somebody has the answers to these questions,
: >it might save us a lot of work.
:
There is no reason why you couldn't take the sample code you posted a
few days ago and compile it into a program called ShellEx.Exe and then
SET BROWSER ShellEx.Exe
in your K95CUSTOM.INI file to get exactly the functionality that you
are looking for.
One of the benefits of the way that K95 currently works is that the
user can guarantee which application is going to be started. For
instance, on my system I keep both Internet Explorer and Netscape.
There are some sights that look better in one than in the other. With
K95, I can SET BROWSER which ever one I want to use depending upon
what I am doing. That is not the case if we relied exclusively on the
ShellExecute command.
We appreciate your notifying us of the existance of the command and
of explaining how it works. However, at least for the short term we
will continue to implement the Hot links the way that they are.
Especially given the easy method available for allowing any user to
call ShellExecute on systems that support it.
Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
The Kermit Project * Columbia University
612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html * kermit-support@columbia.edu
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[I wrote]
>I just installed the .12 update to Kermit95, and I'm not sure how I
>lved without the WWWebBrowser interface all these years, thanks!
I just upgraded my work K95, and it doesn't seem to do the
WWWebBrowser thang, the only differences I can think of is that home
uses DUN, while work has a T1 and uses proxy access to http:
Does not having a modem installed at all (at work) make a difference?
I've reinstalled from scratch to no avail...
Thanks!
--
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#define NII Information SuperCollider
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In article <EBzA6s.D35@world.std.com>,
William Smith <wpns@world.std.com> wrote:
: [I wrote]
: >I just installed the .12 update to Kermit95, and I'm not sure how I
: >lved without the WWWebBrowser interface all these years, thanks!
:
: I just upgraded my work K95, and it doesn't seem to do the
: WWWebBrowser thang, the only differences I can think of is that home
: uses DUN, while work has a T1 and uses proxy access to http:
:
: Does not having a modem installed at all (at work) make a difference?
: I've reinstalled from scratch to no avail...
:
: Thanks!
:
Do you have a browser installed?
What does SHOW BROWSER say?
Jeffrey Altman * Sr.Software Designer * Kermit-95 for Win32 and OS/2
The Kermit Project * Columbia University
612 West 115th St #716 * New York, NY * 10025 * (212) 854-1344
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html * kermit-support@columbia.edu
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>There is no reason why you couldn't take the sample code you posted a
>few days ago and compile it into a program called ShellEx.Exe and then
> SET BROWSER ShellEx.Exe
>in your K95CUSTOM.INI file to get exactly the functionality that you
>are looking for.
It might be even niftier if you made the ShellEx.Exe file part of the
distribution so folks who don't have a compiler could set it up that way
(its hardly the sort of major software there could be any copyright problems
with - I originally found it in a posting in one of the microsoft news
groups).
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From: Steve Curtin <curtins@sag.gmeds.com>
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I am trying to get Kermit to work with a Microcom HD/FAST V.34 Modem
(Rack mount). The problem I'm encountering is that the HD/FAST doesn't
respond with "OK" it responds with "VAL". I've tried changing the
results codes to short (v0\v0), adding the modem to ckudia.c and
recompiling (with wake_prompt set to "VAL") and anything else I could
think of. I still get "DIAL Failure: Error initializing modem." I set
logging to debug and saw that VAL was being returned, but it seems that
"getok" dosen't recognize it. Is there something else I need to set?
Is there a way to make the modem return "OK" or "0"? Any help is
appreciated.
--
Steve Curtin
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Microcom HD/FAST with Kermit
Date: 19 Jun 1997 18:30:15 GMT
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In article <33A7F5E7.6C82@sag.gmeds.com>,
Steve Curtin <curtins@sag.gmeds.com> wrote:
: I am trying to get Kermit to work with a Microcom HD/FAST V.34 Modem
: (Rack mount). The problem I'm encountering is that the HD/FAST doesn't
: respond with "OK" it responds with "VAL".
:
That means it is set to use the ITU-T (nee CCITT) V.25bis command set
rather than the Hayes one.
: I've tried changing the results codes to short (v0\v0), adding the modem
: to ckudia.c and recompiling (with wake_prompt set to "VAL") and anything
: else I could think of.
:
The current version of C-Kermit is 6.0:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html
It is supposed to handle V.25bis if you tell it to:
set modem type itu-t-v25bis
: I still get "DIAL Failure: Error initializing modem." I set logging to
: debug and saw that VAL was being returned, but it seems that "getok"
: dosen't recognize it. Is there something else I need to set? Is there a
: way to make the modem return "OK" or "0"? Any help is appreciated.
:
If "set modem type itu-t-v25bis" does not work, let me know.
Of course, you should also be able to set your modems to use the Hayes
command set -- I don't think Microcom sells any V.25bis-only modems. Look
in your manual to find out how to do this. But first try using C-Kermit to
control them in V.25bis mode and let me know how it goes.
- Frank
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From: vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica)
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OK ... so I built this useful little one-liner (on NT 4.0 with
MSVC++4.0) ...
//SE.CPP
#include <windows.h>
HINSTANCE main ( int argc, char * argv[] )
{return ShellExecute(NULL, "open", argv[1],
(argc > 2) ? argv[2] : NULL,
(argc > 3) ? argv[3] : NULL,
SW_SHOW);
}
syntax: SE [shell_object] [parameters [working dir]]
(Empty and multiword "parameters" must be "quoted"; likewise
path\program names containing spaces.)
It can be used as K95's browser (tried it). Also, if you invoke SE
from the K95 command line (with "run"), since SE itself exits, you can
return to the K95 prompt while the browser (or whatever) is still
running. It works here (on NT); no promises intended.
Command line examples:
se http://www.kermit.columbia (netscape, (here))
se c: (explorer)
se c:\winnt (explorer)
se CMD "" c:\winnt (CMD session)
se CMD "/c file.bat" (run bat & quit)
se mailto:vefatica@syr.edu (pmail, (here))
se file.txt (notepad)
se file.doc (word, (here))
se ftp://kermit.columbia.edu (netscape)
se CMD "/k dir /s /p" h:\k95\ (run dir & stay)
se (starts explorer in root/boot dir (here anyway))
SE should start anything the shell knows how to handle, otherwise,
fail and return 0. Anyone is welcomed to it. Get it (15872 bytes) at:
ftp://math.syr.edu/pub/vefatica/se.exe
- Vince
___
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http://barnyard.syr.edu/~vefatica/
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Win95 using MSDos Kermit 3.11 (set to use the pc serial port com1).
Kermit is used to emulate a VT keyboard via the serial connection to
a VAX/VMS system ... Occasionally selected pc's abort with a "windows
protection violation" while using the kermit connection... I realize
there is a Win95 version of kermit that might solve this problem but
the VAX connection using kermit will be going away in the near future
so there is no need to purchase/install new software ... but, if possible
I would like to find out the problem .. Thanks in advance for any assistance.
Dale Hoehne - hoehne@eisner.decus.org
(speaking only for myself)
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From: Hilaire Fernandes <fernand@ms11.hinet.net>
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Hello,
I really need a kermit software for Acron Computer (for a A4) able to
handle the server mode.
The Kermit program doesn't work. It's a very old port under Arthur OS
and the serial connector was buggy at this time.
Thank you
Hilaire Fernandes
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: kemit under Acorn computer
Date: 20 Jun 1997 14:05:48 GMT
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In article <33A94BAD.141C@ms11.hinet.net>,
Hilaire Fernandes <fernand@ms11.hinet.net> wrote:
:
: I really need a kermit software for Acron Computer (for a A4) able to
: handle the server mode. The Kermit program doesn't work. It's a very
: old port under Arthur OS and the serial connector was buggy at this time.
:
We have the following Kermit programs for Acorn computers. They are all
contributed from elsewhere -- we don't have any Acorns here. So first be
sure you have picked the most appropriate one. Then if it doesn't work to
your satisfaction, see if you can contact the author (if s/he is listed in
the source code or documentation). Failing that, you have the source code
so you can fix it yourself -- and if you do, please send the result back to
us so others can benefit from it too.
Prefix, Operating Program Program Released
Tape Machine System Language Version yy/mm/dd Contributor
AR C Acorn Archimedes Arthur C 1.3 93/05/01 Acorn Computers
AR C Acorn Archimedes RISC_OS C 1.3 93/05/01 Acorn Computers
BBC C Acorn BBC B OS1.20 6502 Assem. 1.45 87/05/19 Lancaster U
BBC C Acorn BBC B+ OS 2 6502 Assem. 1.45 87/05/19 Lancaster U
BBC C Acorn BBC B+128 OS 2 6502 Assem. 1.45 87/05/19 Lancaster U
CP A Acorn BBC Micro CPM80 2.2 LASM 4.11 91/04/23 M.Freeman BPA
CP A Acorn BBC Torch CPM80 2.2 LASM 4.11 91/04/23 M.Freeman BPA
BBC C Acorn Compact OS 3 6502 Assem. 1.45 87/05/19 Lancaster U
BBC C Acorn Compact Panos C 4C 57 87/07/14 Acorn Computers
BBC C Acorn Master 128 OS 3 6502 Assem. 1.45 87/05/19 Lancaster U
AC C AcornWorkstation PANOS C - 87/07/13 Acorn Computers
The letter in the second column corresponds the the subdirectory of the kermit
directory on kermit.columbia.edu (use lowercase). The first column is the
filename prefix (but use lowercase). Example:
mget kermit/c/bbc*.*
- Frank
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Win95 w/msdos kermit 3.11 problem
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In article <1997Jun20.085115.1@eisner>,
Dale Hoehne <hoehne@eisner.decus.org> wrote:
: Win95 using MSDos Kermit 3.11 (set to use the pc serial port com1).
: Kermit is used to emulate a VT keyboard via the serial connection to
: a VAX/VMS system ... Occasionally selected pc's abort with a "windows
: protection violation" while using the kermit connection... I realize
: there is a Win95 version of kermit that might solve this problem but
: the VAX connection using kermit will be going away in the near future
: so there is no need to purchase/install new software ... but, if possible
: I would like to find out the problem .. Thanks in advance for any assistance.
:
First, here is the official party line:
MS-DOS Kermit is not recommended or supported for Windows 95 or NT for the
very good reason that it was not written for those platforms. It can not make
network connections, it does not understand long file names, and in many cases
it cannot find the serial ports or modems. It expects to have full control of
your PC: memory, video adapter, interrupt controller, serial port, network
adapter. This is not possible under Windows 95 and NT. If MS-DOS Kermit
works at all in those environments, it is an accident, and it is risky.
Kermit 95 is the recommended and supported software for Windows 95 and NT. It
is fully native, 32-bit, multithread, protected-mode, preemptive multitasking,
using only Windows 32 APIs, and is a 32-bit Winsock client for completely
straightforward network connections that coexist with your Web browser and all
other network applications. It has built-in support for nearly 60 different
modems; it emulates over 25 different terminals; it is not only a serial
communications program but also a Telnet and Rlogin client, and supports
XYZMODEM protocols as well as Kermit file transfer.
More information about Kermit 95 at:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html
Second:
Try MS-DOS Kermit 3.14 (the current version). If it works for you, fine.
Otherwise, you're on your own:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/mskermit.html
- Frank
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From: cel@mail.telepac.pt (Paul Vieira)
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I have a PC ( NT 4.0) with 3 serial ports (each one is connected to a
modem). I made 3 scripts (one for each port) in Kermit 95 to receive
files from the outside. The problem is that I can't run the scripts on
COM1 and COM3 at the same time, because one of the modems will not
work (initialize). I think the problem is related with the IRQ's
( COM1 and COM3 use the same IRQ). How can I resolve this problem?
Thank you in advance.
Paul Vieira
cel@mail.telepac.pt
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In article <5odrb1$mrv@duke.telepac.pt>,
Paul Vieira <cel@mail.telepac.pt> wrote:
: I have a PC ( NT 4.0) with 3 serial ports (each one is connected to a
: modem). I made 3 scripts (one for each port) in Kermit 95 to receive
: files from the outside. The problem is that I can't run the scripts on
: COM1 and COM3 at the same time, because one of the modems will not
: work (initialize). I think the problem is related with the IRQ's
: ( COM1 and COM3 use the same IRQ). How can I resolve this problem?
:
This is a canned reply to all queries regarding the use of MS-DOS Kermit
on Windows 95 and NT, which are coming in at an ever-increasing rate:
MS-DOS Kermit is not recommended or supported for Windows 95 or NT for the
very good reason that it was not written for those platforms. It can not
make network connections, it does not understand long file names, TAPI
port/modem sharing, and in many cases it cannot find the serial ports or
modems at all. It expects to have full control of your PC: memory, video
adapter, interrupt controller, serial port, network adapter. This is not
possible under Windows 95 and NT. If MS-DOS Kermit works at all in those
environments, it is an accident, it is risky, and it is very likely to run
in a degraded mode.
Kermit 95 is the recommended and supported software for Windows 95 and NT.
It is fully native, 32-bit, multithread, protected-mode, preemptive
multitasking, using only Windows 32 APIs, and is a 32-bit Winsock client for
completely straightforward network connections that coexist with your Web
browser and all other network applications. It has built-in support for
nearly 60 different modems; it emulates over 25 different terminals; it is
not only a serial communications program but also a Telnet and Rlogin
client, and supports XYZMODEM protocols as well as Kermit file transfer.
More information about Kermit 95 at:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html
- Frank
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Why re-invent the wheel folks???
Win95 and WinNT 4.0 both have a way of doing this without writing a
new program. Its the "start" command.
I tried it by using "start http://www.pvsoftware.com" and it
worked by opening that page in the *already* opened browser (IE 3).
Here's the output of "start /?"...
Starts a separate window to run a specified program or command.
START ["title"] [/Dpath] [/I] [/MIN] [/MAX] [/SEPARATE | /SHARED]
[/LOW | /NORMAL | /HIGH | /REALTIME] [/WAIT] [/B]
[command/program] [parameters]
"title" Title to display in window title bar.
path Starting directory
I The new environment will be the original environment
passed
to the cmd.exe and not the current environment.
MIN Start window minimized
MAX Start window maximized
SEPARATE Start 16-bit Windows program in separate memory space
SHARED Start 16-bit Windows program in shared memory space
LOW Start application in the IDLE priority class
NORMAL Start application in the NORMAL priority class
HIGH Start application in the HIGH priority class
REALTIME Start application in the REALTIME priority class
WAIT Start application and wait for it to terminate
B Start application without creating a new window. The
application has ^C handling ignored. Unless the
application
enables ^C processing, ^Break is the only way to
interrupt the
application
command/program
If it is an internal cmd command or a batch file then
the command processor is run with the /K switch to
cmd.exe.
This means that the window will remain after the
command
has been run.
If it is not an internal cmd command or batch file
then
it is a program and will run as either a windowed
application
or a console application.
parameters These are the parameters passed to the command/program
If Command Extensions are enabled, external command invocation
through the command line or the START command changes as follows:
non-executable files may be invoked through their file association
just
by typing the name of the file as a command. (e.g. WORD.DOC
would
launch the application associated with the .DOC file extension).
See the ASSOC and FTYPE commands for how to create these
associations from within a command script.
When executing an application that is a 32-bit GUI application,
CMD.EXE
does not wait for the application to terminate before returning to
the command prompt. This new behavior does NOT occur if executing
within a command script.
When executing a command line whose first token is CMD without an
extension or path qualifier, then replaces CMD with the value of
the
COMSPEC variable, thus avoiding picking up random versions of
CMD.EXE when you least expect them.
When executing a command line whose first token does NOT contain an
extension, then CMD.EXE uses the value of the PATHEXT
environment variable to determine which extensions to look for
and in what order. The default value for the PATHEXT variable
is:
.COM;.EXE;.BAT;.CMD
Notice the syntax is the same as the PATH variable, with
semicolons separating the different elements.
When executing a command, if there is no match on any extension, then
looks to see if the name, without any extension, matches a directory
name
and if it does, the START command launches the Explorer on that path.
If done from the command line, it is the equivalent to doing a CD /D
to that path.
On Fri, 20 Jun 1997 05:01:46 GMT, vefatica@syr.edu (Vincent Fatica)
wrote:
>OK ... so I built this useful little one-liner (on NT 4.0 with
>MSVC++4.0) ...
>
>//SE.CPP
>#include <windows.h>
>HINSTANCE main ( int argc, char * argv[] )
>{return ShellExecute(NULL, "open", argv[1],
> (argc > 2) ? argv[2] : NULL,
> (argc > 3) ? argv[3] : NULL,
> SW_SHOW);
>}
>
>syntax: SE [shell_object] [parameters [working dir]]
>
>(Empty and multiword "parameters" must be "quoted"; likewise
>path\program names containing spaces.)
>
>It can be used as K95's browser (tried it). Also, if you invoke SE
>from the K95 command line (with "run"), since SE itself exits, you can
>return to the K95 prompt while the browser (or whatever) is still
>running. It works here (on NT); no promises intended.
>
>Command line examples:
>
> se http://www.kermit.columbia (netscape, (here))
> se c: (explorer)
> se c:\winnt (explorer)
> se CMD "" c:\winnt (CMD session)
> se CMD "/c file.bat" (run bat & quit)
> se mailto:vefatica@syr.edu (pmail, (here))
> se file.txt (notepad)
> se file.doc (word, (here))
> se ftp://kermit.columbia.edu (netscape)
> se CMD "/k dir /s /p" h:\k95\ (run dir & stay)
> se (starts explorer in root/boot dir (here anyway))
>
>SE should start anything the shell knows how to handle, otherwise,
>fail and return 0. Anyone is welcomed to it. Get it (15872 bytes) at:
>
> ftp://math.syr.edu/pub/vefatica/se.exe
>
> - Vince
>___
> Vincent Fatica
> Syracuse University Mathematics
> vefatica@syr.edu
> http://barnyard.syr.edu/~vefatica/
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From: fredex@fcshome.stoneham.ma.us (Fred Smith)
Subject: Re: Problems using Kermit 95 with COM1 and COM3.
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Paul Vieira (cel@mail.telepac.pt) wrote:
: I have a PC ( NT 4.0) with 3 serial ports (each one is connected to a
: modem). I made 3 scripts (one for each port) in Kermit 95 to receive
: files from the outside. The problem is that I can't run the scripts on
: COM1 and COM3 at the same time, because one of the modems will not
: work (initialize). I think the problem is related with the IRQ's
: ( COM1 and COM3 use the same IRQ). How can I resolve this problem?
: Thank you in advance.
: Paul Vieira
: cel@mail.telepac.pt
:
This has nothing to do with Kermit... you need to reconfigure the modem
on COM3 so it uses some otherwise-unused IRQ (possibly 5), then
configure NT so it knows about the hardware change.
Fred
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From: bhuber@netcom.com (Bud Huber)
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In article <5of0ll$eng$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>In article <5odrb1$mrv@duke.telepac.pt>,
>Paul Vieira <cel@mail.telepac.pt> wrote:
>: I have a PC ( NT 4.0) with 3 serial ports (each one is connected to a
>: modem). I made 3 scripts (one for each port) in Kermit 95 to receive
>: files from the outside. The problem is that I can't run the scripts on
>: COM1 and COM3 at the same time, because one of the modems will not
>: work (initialize). I think the problem is related with the IRQ's
>: ( COM1 and COM3 use the same IRQ). How can I resolve this problem?
>:
>This is a canned reply to all queries regarding the use of MS-DOS Kermit
>on Windows 95 and NT, which are coming in at an ever-increasing rate:
>
>MS-DOS Kermit is not recommended or supported for Windows 95 or NT for the
>very good reason that it was not written for those platforms. It can not
>make network connections, it does not understand long file names, TAPI
>port/modem sharing, and in many cases it cannot find the serial ports or
>modems at all. It expects to have full control of your PC: memory, video
>adapter, interrupt controller, serial port, network adapter. This is not
>possible under Windows 95 and NT. If MS-DOS Kermit works at all in those
>environments, it is an accident, it is risky, and it is very likely to run
>in a degraded mode.
>
>Kermit 95 is the recommended and supported software for Windows 95 and NT.
>It is fully native, 32-bit, multithread, protected-mode, preemptive
>multitasking, using only Windows 32 APIs, and is a 32-bit Winsock client for
>completely straightforward network connections that coexist with your Web
>browser and all other network applications. It has built-in support for
>nearly 60 different modems; it emulates over 25 different terminals; it is
>not only a serial communications program but also a Telnet and Rlogin
>client, and supports XYZMODEM protocols as well as Kermit file transfer.
>
>More information about Kermit 95 at:
>
> http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95.html
>
>- Frank
But Frank,
The gentleman clearly indicated he was having problems with Kermit 95,
not Kermit for DOS.
Ciao,
Bud
--
-----
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In article <33aa9b09.2490401@news.opus1.com>,
Erik Hatcher <hatcher@flash.net> wrote:
: Why re-invent the wheel folks???
:
: Win95 and WinNT 4.0 both have a way of doing this without writing a
: new program. Its the "start" command.
:
There is no need to continue this thread. The next release of K-95 will
have an interface to ShellExecute(). If it works for you, you'll like
it. If it doesn't (and experimentation shows that this API is not the
panacea that many have made it out to be), you'll still be able to specify
a particular browser and get the current behavior.
: I tried it by using "start http://www.pvsoftware.com" and it
: worked by opening that page in the *already* opened browser (IE 3).
:
And you can also do this (in any recent K95 version):
define URL {
run start \v(select)
if terminal-macro connect
}
set mouse button 1 alt drag \Kurl
Select a URL with Alt-drag mouse button 1 and there you are.
But this, again, begs the question of whether ShellExecute(blah) works
for you, where blah is a URL. It does not work for everybody. Believe
me.
- Frank
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In article <bhuberEC4EGp.H1@netcom.com>, Bud Huber <bhuber@netcom.com> wrote:
: In article <5of0ll$eng$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
: Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: >In article <5odrb1$mrv@duke.telepac.pt>,
: >Paul Vieira <cel@mail.telepac.pt> wrote:
: >: I have a PC ( NT 4.0) with 3 serial ports (each one is connected to a
: >: modem). I made 3 scripts (one for each port) in Kermit 95 to receive
: >: files from the outside. The problem is that I can't run the scripts on
: >: COM1 and COM3 at the same time, because one of the modems will not
: >: work (initialize). I think the problem is related with the IRQ's
: >: ( COM1 and COM3 use the same IRQ). How can I resolve this problem?
: >:
: >This is a canned reply to all queries regarding the use of MS-DOS Kermit
: >on Windows 95 and NT, which are coming in at an ever-increasing rate:
:
: But Frank,
:
: The gentleman clearly indicated he was having problems with Kermit 95,
: not Kermit for DOS.
:
Oops. It was a bad day -- after the 20th or so question about why MS-DOS
Kermit did not work for somebody on COM3 or COM4 under Windows 95 or NT,
I started having what they call a "knee jerk reaction" -- sorry.
As Paul Vieira pointed out in his reply to the same posting, you have to
sort out the COM-port configuration in Windows NT. Most PCs today have
more devices than they do interrupts, and so this makes PC configuration
an unenviable task, Plug-n-Play notwithstanding. Personally, I do not feel
that this should have been the architecture for the next century, but there's
not much we can do about that :-)
So yes, see if you can find an interrupt (IRQ) number that is not used by any
other device, and then see if you can configure your COM3 port to use that
interrupt number. And proceed with utmost caution, since a bad choice can
wreak havoc on your computer. Here is a brief and not necessarily
comprehensive guide to PC interrupt numbers from the MS-DOS Kermit "beware
file":
2 Normally available, but some video boards use it to obey an obsolete
standard for indicating vertical refresh. Adjust video board jumpers
to not do this. On 286's and above, IRQ 2 is also known as IRQ 9:
same IRQ, alternate number.
3 Normally COM2 and COM4. PS/2's use IRQ 3 for all serial ports above
COM1. IRQ3 is also a favorite "factory default" of many local area
network (LAN) adapters.
4 Normally COM1 and informally COM3 (except on PS/2s).
5 Secondary parallel port. Parallel ports are rarely interrupt-driven
(except for Novell RPRINTER users) so this IRQ becomes free if you
unjumper it on the parallel port board. LAN adapters are often placed
on IRQ 5. PC/XTs use IRQ 5 for the hard disk. Careful with this one.
6 Floppy disk drives. Leave it alone!
7 Primary parallel port. Remove as described for IRQ 5. Be careful,
LAN adapters are frequently placed here.
IRQs higher than 7 are not available on original PCs or PC/XTs, and also might
not be selectable on the device itself.
9 Alias for IRQ 2 on PC/AT and above. Don't try to use this one
as if it were a unique IRQ.
10 Usually free.
11 Usually free.
12 Used by the IBM bus mouse, otherwise usually free.
13 Math coprocessor errors are trapped here, otherwise frequently free.
14 Used by hard disk on 286 and above. Leave alone!
15 Some SCSI controllers use this. Usually free.
- Frank
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Problems using Kermit 95 with COM1 and COM3.
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In article <5of0ll$eng$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>, fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz) writes:
> In article <5odrb1$mrv@duke.telepac.pt>,
> Paul Vieira <cel@mail.telepac.pt> wrote:
> : I have a PC ( NT 4.0) with 3 serial ports (each one is connected to a
> : modem). I made 3 scripts (one for each port) in Kermit 95 to receive
> : files from the outside. The problem is that I can't run the scripts on
> : COM1 and COM3 at the same time, because one of the modems will not
> : work (initialize). I think the problem is related with the IRQ's
> : ( COM1 and COM3 use the same IRQ). How can I resolve this problem?
> :
> This is a canned reply to all queries regarding the use of MS-DOS Kermit
> on Windows 95 and NT, which are coming in at an ever-increasing rate:
>
> MS-DOS Kermit is not recommended or supported for Windows 95 or NT for the
> very good reason that it was not written for those platforms. It can not
> make network connections, it does not understand long file names, TAPI
> port/modem sharing, and in many cases it cannot find the serial ports or
> modems at all. It expects to have full control of your PC: memory, video
> adapter, interrupt controller, serial port, network adapter. This is not
> possible under Windows 95 and NT. If MS-DOS Kermit works at all in those
> environments, it is an accident, it is risky, and it is very likely to run
> in a degraded mode.
----------
This is a little unusual, so I hope folks understand what I'm
saying and why.
MS-DOS Kermit, as the name says, is for MS-DOS. That's fine. It
also runs in Windows 3 and Windows 95, and OS/2, not by accident, it is
not risky, it is not degraded any more than Windows software degrades its
own programs, and I will not stand by idly if such phrases are repeated.
I wish to take this opportunity to put matters back into context and onto
terra firma.
In fact MSK runs in both Windows versions in heavy production use
at my site and many others. Dyed in the wool advocates of DOS or Windows or
whatever may wish to skip to the next message because what concerns us here
is working with a mixed environment and not an advocacy of one over the other.
As a point of curiosity, Windows itself is an inherently mixed environment,
as many people know, and in the end that has worked to our advantage. There
are many GUI environments, MS Windows being the most wide spread today.
MSK can use serial ports, as much as Windows allows any DOS window
application to do so, and where problems arise in almost all cases it is
with Windows' handling of the underlying (and faked to MSK) hardware.
Similar difficulties face corresponding Windows programs. Alas, this is
an imperfect world (insert Windows bomb box or DOS A/R/I message here).
MSK runs great over networks. But, and we need to have folks
understand this technical point, it does not use winsock (which is a
TCP/IP etc stack for pure Windows programs alone). There is an inherent
problem here if MSK uses its internal TCP/IP stack while another such
stack is loaded and both use the same lan adapter (say Ethernet board).
They can't survive unless rather devious and subtile shims are employed
to try sorting out the two streams of traffic. There is one for NDIS v3
(protected mode) work written by Dan Lanciani at Harvard, file ndis3pkt.exe
a copy of which is in directory drivers on netlab2.usu.edu, but I have not
tested it here. Reports on trials would be appreciated.
MSK runs naturally over ODI and Packet Drivers. To run that way
in Windows we add shim winpkt (in the MSK distribution kit) to do the
Windows adaptation. MSK also support many other varieties of networking
other than TCP/IP, say LAT for example with appropriate commercial drivers.
Naturally, no DOS program can take advantage of the pure Windows
only features, say TAPI and sundry. For those features one uses appropriate
Windows programs. Similarly, Windows only programs have their limitations.
Discussions on how well a GUI operating environment reflects (emulates
after interception) the real machine could go on and on, often filled
with partial truths and not so accurate assumptions. Generally speaking
MS has done quite an interesting job of emulation and it is difficult to
discover differences with the real hardware. But differences do exist,
as in any mixed environment.
One place where Windows gets into trouble is if a DOS program
wants to put the video display into say 132 volume mode. Windows may, but
often does not, know about the video mode changes on the adapter. If it
knows it can put the adapter back in graphics mode, else it puts up a
box saying please run in a full screen DOS box. The latter can be better
because it is easier to read and lots faster than drawing letter strokes.
I might add the same applies to drawing graphics: one is better off in a
DOS environment.
To forstall pointlessly reopening a well discussed topic may I add
a few words on technical support. It costs. Someone spends time and money
on the other end of the telephone/fax/email system to think about a problem
and compose suggested solutions. Every author wishes it weren't so, but there
are bugs now and then, very few to be sure(!), and we want to hear about them
in full detail and quickly. After all, bugs also cost you time and money.
Long term readers may think back to the many discussions held on the
support topic over the years, so I won't repeat them here. What I would like
to add, however, is human nature says go to the place where one is listened
to, and get any help available. Alas, many times the real problems are not
with the product of the outfit being called, and it is only through kindness
that answers are provided. That's expensive when one comes right down to it
at the end of each month. Many companies cannot afford to bother being nice
to even legit customer questions. Well, the Kermit project can't afford the
expense either, and assistance comes out of the hides of the project members.
So I would ask readers to be selective about what they ask for when
difficulties arise, and help relieve the burden on a very slimly financed
operation so that the creative people can continue with the creative work.
Please try regular Windows NEWS groups if the problem appears to be the run
of the mill Windows troubles. Please try here in this Kermit-specific NEWS
group when Kermit(s) themselves are the real doubtful item. Similarly, run
of the mill machine setup/configuration/etc questions are better asked of
your colleagues and friends as well as the many PC-specific NEWS groups.
There are many readers in this group who are willing and able to resolve
Kermit questions, and we need their help.
We have created some first rate user's manuals in the form of the
"Using ... Kermit" books, which are for sale and hence help underwrite
operating expenses. Think of it as voting with your pocketbook, and of
multiplying that vote by not consuming time of the project unnecessarily.
Those books are the front rank of Tech Support tools, and I think they more
than earn back their cost through saving time and human wear and tear. They
also open opportunities for neat things to do.
I think we make progress if one remembers that DOS and Windows are
different in many ways, yet very similar in others beneath the covers, so
that DOS programs are quite usable in GUI windows in a many cases, and more
effective than Windows programs in some cases.
As stated at the beginning, this is a mixed environment with
compromises at every turn. Please use what best suits the situation at hand.
What better advice can one give?
Joe D.
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I am having a problem setting up my modem in Kermit 95. I would
appreciate any help. Here's the deal: I have Win 95, Kermit 95 1.1.12,
and a SupraExpress 288 external modem.
I am trying to dial a Xyplex terminal server to gain access to a Unix
machine. If I use the kermit dialer (with regular or tapi device), I
connect and everything looks good, but about 15-20 seconds into the
session the carrier drops. The problem seems to be that the Xyplex
machine only works at 9600. If I change the baud rate to 9600 in
kermit, I get no response from the modem, but if I leave it at 28800 or
higher, I get the carrier drop problem.
One last thing, when I connect directly to the modem and manually dial,
everything is OK. (And all other sites I call are OK using the dialer).
Again, I would appreciate any help out there.
-Michael Solomon
msolo@christcom.net
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I am having a problem setting up my modem in Kermit 95. I would
appreciate any help. Here's the deal: I have Win 95, Kermit 95 1.1.12,
and a SupraExpress 288 external modem.
I am trying to dial a Xyplex terminal server to gain access to a Unix
machine. If I use the kermit dialer (with regular or tapi device), I
connect and everything looks good, but about 15-20 seconds into the
session the carrier drops. The problem seems to be that the Xyplex
machine only works at 9600. If I change the baud rate to 9600 in
kermit, I get no response from the modem, but if I leave it at 28800 or
higher, I get the carrier drop problem.
One last thing, when I connect directly to the modem and manually dial,
everything is OK. (And all other sites I call are OK using the dialer).
Again, I would appreciate any help out there.
-Michael Solomon
msolo@christcom.net
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Kermit 95 problems
Date: 24 Jun 1997 15:15:11 GMT
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In article <33AF993A.46A6@christcom.net>, msolo <msolo@christcom.net> wrote:
: I am having a problem setting up my modem in Kermit 95. I would
: appreciate any help. Here's the deal: I have Win 95, Kermit 95 1.1.12,
: and a SupraExpress 288 external modem.
:
: I am trying to dial a Xyplex terminal server to gain access to a Unix
: machine. If I use the kermit dialer (with regular or tapi device), I
: connect and everything looks good...
:
So you see legible text from the other side -- login prompt, etc? And you
can send text (user ID, whatever)?
: but about 15-20 seconds into the session the carrier drops.
:
This usually means something happened outside of your PC: the phone
connection hung up, the other modem stopped broadcasting carrier, etc.
: The problem seems to be that the Xyplex
: machine only works at 9600.
:
If the first 15-20 seconds of the session are good, then it's not a speed
mismatch.
: If I change the baud rate to 9600 in kermit, I get no response from the
: modem, but if I leave it at 28800 or higher, I get the carrier drop
: problem.
:
If you get no response from the modem at 9600, this could mean it has its
baud rate fixed at a certain speed and "autobaud" (automatic speed
recognition) has been disabled. Check your modem manual for command
(usually something like N0 or N1) to enable all speeds and protocols and
negotiate the highest common one.
: One last thing, when I connect directly to the modem and manually dial,
: everything is OK. (And all other sites I call are OK using the dialer).
:
And how do you dial manually? Do you give any configuration commands? Are
they different from the ones Kermit or TAPI give? In that case, just use
SET MODEM COMMAND to tell K95 to use the same commands you use when you dial
manually.
In any case, the finger points rather emphatically at the configuration of
the modem on the other end of this connection. As you know, modern modems
have lots of configuration options, many of them designed to get around
bugs, limitations, or misconfugration in the modems they are connecting
with. Adjust your own modem as needed, and see if you can get the owner of
the other modem to check its configuration.
- Frank
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Hi,
We occasionally receive the "divide overflow" error when starting ms-dos
kermit v.3.13 and v.3.14 in Windows 95. I realize that there is a Kermit
for Windows 95, since we also use that. But we have some rather involved
scripts that work best under the dos based kermits. I was just curious as
to what this error means and if it is anything I should worry about.
Usually we just reboot the laptop and the error goes away. Thanks for your
help
Chris
Christopher Slowik / Slowik@esb.com
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Announcing Kermit 95 1.1.13 for Windows 95, Windows NT, and OS/2
Date: 24 Jun 1997 21:47:30 GMT
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Kermit 95 1.1.13 is now available as a patch to previous Kermit 95 releases
for Windows 95, Windows NT, and OS/2. This patch fixes a few minor bugs in
the recently-announced 1.1.12, and adds:
. DDE messages to Web browsers and other apps (Windows only)
. DEC PATHWORKS support for Windows (OS/2 already had it)
. Bidirectional printer ports
. Array initializers
The first item provides a way for URL hotspots (added in 1.1.12) to invoke
your currently loaded browser, rather than always starting a new copy, and
also to invoke other applications by Ctrl-clicking on filenames, etc. This
works only in Windows 95 and NT systems that have all the right Microsoft
DLLs, and so is not the default; to use this feature, read section 3.12 of
DOCS\UPDATES.DOC.
All the bugs that were reported in 1.1.12 are fixed.
HOW TO GET IT
Kermit 95 1.1.13 is available as a patch to version 1.1.12 or earlier.
Current registered users of Kermit 95 can download the 1.1.13 upgrade patch
from our BBS or from our Web site:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/k95patch.html
or with ftp:
ftp://kermit.columbia.edu/kermit/k95/patches/
All the new features are documented in the updated UPDATES.TXT file that
comes in the patch, and the bug fixes are detailed in the updated BUGS.TXT
file. Please send reports of any difficulty with the patches by email to:
kermit-support@columbia.edu
Frank da Cruz
The Kermit Project
Columbia University
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I am currently using C-Kermit, 4C(058) 19 Mar 86 under LynxOS. Is any
newer version available?
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In article <33B04526.6C8F@gstworld.net.nospam>,
Brett Hunsaker <bhunsaker@gstworld.net> wrote:
: I am currently using C-Kermit, 4C(058) 19 Mar 86 under LynxOS. Is any
: newer version available?
:
Yes, C-Kermit 6.0 of November 1996 (10.66 years of development since you
last looked :-) Complete info at:
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/ck60.html
We don't have a binary for LynxOS so I hope you have a C compiler so you'll
need to get the source code. Assuming you are running LynxOS 2.2 or later,
use "make lynx". If you do make a new binary, please let me know so we can
add it to our large and ever-growing collection of C-Kermit binaries.
- Frank
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I just downloaded the latest kermit and built it for aix3.2.5 - when I try
to "take" the script, I get an error message that a "line is too long or
contains a null character". When I comment out this line:
asg block \%m\fchar(\fmod(\%s/256,16)+48)-
\fchar(\fmod(\%s/16,16)+48)-
\fchar(\fmod(\%s,16)+48)\13 ; Checksummed TAP block
it "takes" just fine. I tried deleting the comment to shorten the line and
I tried concatenating all three parts into one line but I still get the
error message.
I would appreciate any helpful hints!
Trey Thompson
Trey.Thompson@citgo.com
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In article <01bc80d2$f7bd5840$5983adce@Trey.tulsa.citgo.com>,
Trey Thompson <trey.thompson@citgo.com> wrote:
: I just downloaded the latest kermit and built it for aix3.2.5 - when I try
: to "take" the script, I get an error message that a "line is too long or
: contains a null character". When I comment out this line:
: asg block \%m\fchar(\fmod(\%s/256,16)+48)-
: \fchar(\fmod(\%s/16,16)+48)-
: \fchar(\fmod(\%s,16)+48)\13 ; Checksummed TAP block
:
: it "takes" just fine.
:
Yes, but then it won't work.
: I tried deleting the comment to shorten the line and I tried
: concatenating all three parts into one line but I still get the
: error message.
:
The TAPMSG macro definition is a tad too long for the command buffer
in the default AIX C-Kermit build. Go to your C-Kermit source directory
and:
make clean
make rs6aix32c KFLAGS=-DBIGBUFOK
In the next release, all RS/6000 and PowerPC AIX versions will be built
with big buffers by default.
- Frank
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From: steve@Watt.COM (Steve Watt -- KD6GGD)
Subject: Re: Availability of C-Kermit 6 for LynxOS
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In article <33B04526.6C8F@gstworld.net.nospam>,
Brett Hunsaker <bhunsaker@gstworld.net> wrote:
>I am currently using C-Kermit, 4C(058) 19 Mar 86 under LynxOS. Is any
>newer version available?
You can get a more current one from Columbia University,
http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/
The reason that 4C is shipped with LynxOS is that it's very nearly the
last version that was freely distributable. Since then, the licensing
terms have changed so that vendors may not include kermit in products.
--
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ICBM: 121W 56' 58.1" / 37N 20' 14.2" Internet: steve @ Watt.COM
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From: jrd@cc.usu.edu (Joe Doupnik)
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Subject: Re: Divide Overflow
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In article <EC8G2H.I5D@nonexistent.com>, "System Manager" <slowik@esb.com> writes:
> Hi,
>
> We occasionally receive the "divide overflow" error when starting ms-dos
> kermit v.3.13 and v.3.14 in Windows 95. I realize that there is a Kermit
> for Windows 95, since we also use that. But we have some rather involved
> scripts that work best under the dos based kermits. I was just curious as
> to what this error means and if it is anything I should worry about.
> Usually we just reboot the laptop and the error goes away. Thanks for your
> help
>
> Chris
>
> Christopher Slowik / Slowik@esb.com
-------------
That should not happen with MSK 3.14, so please check the version.
It can happen with MSK 3.13 on machines much faster than existed when
v3.13 was written.
Also, please remember that MSK 3.13/4 will try to use memory above
1MB as expanded memory. Thus the location of the EMS page frame needs to
be controlled by the user as a memory management chore (not a Kermit one).
Lacking EMS conventional memory is used. MSK 3.15 beta permits extended
memory as an option (no EMS needed in that case, but EMS is faster). To
see if memory management might be the problem put this line in autoexec.bat:
set kermit roll=0
which will not create the terminal emulation screen rollback buffer. It is
a user of these memory areas.
Beyond this we would need information about your system configuration.
Joe D.
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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Subject: Re: Availability of C-Kermit 6 for LynxOS
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In article <ECBEMH.Ftu@Watt.COM>, Steve Watt -- KD6GGD <steve@Watt.COM> wrote:
: In article <33B04526.6C8F@gstworld.net.nospam>,
: Brett Hunsaker <bhunsaker@gstworld.net> wrote:
: >I am currently using C-Kermit, 4C(058) 19 Mar 86 under LynxOS. Is any
: >newer version available?
:
: You can get a more current one from Columbia University,
: http://www.columbia.edu/kermit/
:
: The reason that 4C is shipped with LynxOS is that it's very nearly the
: last version that was freely distributable. Since then, the licensing
: terms have changed so that vendors may not include kermit in products.
:
If the LynxOS company would let me give away their products to my users,
maybe I'd have some sympathy for that position.
Vendors may not include Kermit software in their products without permission.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Did they bother to ask? No. So what is the result? Their customers have an
ancient version of Kermit and and we get the tech support burden. Who wins?
Nobody.
Contrast with (for example) Hewlett Packard. They ship an up-to-date and
fully supported version of C-Kermit with each HP-UX release. Everybody is
happy.
Lynx customers should encourage the company to do the right thing: either
make an honorable agreement with us to distribute our software, or else stop
doing it.
- Frank
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From: steve@Watt.COM (Steve Watt -- KD6GGD)
Subject: Re: Availability of C-Kermit 6 for LynxOS
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[ Followups to me -- I get the feeling this could get nasty(ier?) for some
reason. ]
[ Caution: It's 4am, so this might sound flame-ish. Wish I could sleep. ]
In article <5or8op$s9m$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
>In article <ECBEMH.Ftu@Watt.COM>, Steve Watt -- KD6GGD <steve@Watt.COM> wrote:
>: In article <33B04526.6C8F@gstworld.net.nospam>,
>: Brett Hunsaker <bhunsaker@gstworld.net> wrote:
bhunsaker> [ using old C-Kermit 4C(058) on LynxOS, wants newer ]
steve> You can get a more current one from Columbia University
steve> The reason that 4C is shipped with LynxOS is that it's very nearly the
steve> last version that was freely distributable. Since then, the licensing
steve> terms have changed so that vendors may not include kermit in products.
fdc> If the LynxOS company would let me give away their products to my users,
fdc> maybe I'd have some sympathy for that position.
I suspect it could be arranged for you to give away LynxOS 1.0. I'm not
sure you *could*, though. I think it only ran on a proprietary board. ;)
[ deletia ]
fdc> Lynx customers should encourage the company to do the right thing: either
fdc> make an honorable agreement with us to distribute our software, or else
stop
fdc> doing it.
A few points:
1. As far as I know, you cannot retroactively change the licensing of a
piece of software, which is your implication of "an honorable agreement"
-- there is no agreement required for the version that Lynx is shipping.
I quote from ckcmai.c, 4C(058) 19 Mar 86:
/*
Copyright (C) 1985, Trustees of Columbia University in the City of New York.
Permission is granted to any individual or institution to use, copy, or
redistribute this software so long as it is not sold for profit, provided this
copyright notice is retained.
*/
(Fortunately, I know that Lynx' legal folks don't read USENET -- your
implication of that distribution as being less than honorable is almost
certainly libelous.)
2. When I queried about this, I was told that the legal department had
contacted Columbia and found the terms of distribution for the new
versions unacceptable, but I don't know the details. What are the
commercial terms? Is there a licensing fee of some sort? If not,
I suspect that decision can be revisited, since there's been 100%
turnover in the legal department since then. Lynx is a fairly small
company, so if there is a significant licensing fee, I'd expect the
current practice to continue. Or if you wish (and can provide some
manner of active discouragement, like a sentence somewhere that
makes my point 1 false), I suspect distribution could be stopped
entirely. Active discouragement may not even be needed; asking works.
3. I suppose, to some extent, it's telling of the high quality of the
old version (not to impugn the newer ones) that this is the first
time *I've* heard someone ask for the new version. Or else this
is the first time someone's wanted it that didn't know where to find
it. Either way, C-Kermit is a *great* piece of work.
--
Steve Watt KD6GGD PP-ASEL-IA Packet: KD6GGD @ N0ARY.#NOCAL.CA.USA.NA
ICBM: 121W 56' 58.1" / 37N 20' 14.2" Internet: steve @ Watt.COM
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From: fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu (Frank da Cruz)
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In article <ECDqxM.IKz@Watt.COM>, Steve Watt -- KD6GGD <steve@Watt.COM> wrote:
: [ Followups to me -- I get the feeling this could get nasty(ier?) for some
: reason. ]
:
: [ Caution: It's 4am, so this might sound flame-ish. Wish I could sleep. ]
:
: In article <5or8op$s9m$1@newsmaster.cc.columbia.edu>,
: Frank da Cruz <fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu> wrote:
: >In article <ECBEMH.Ftu@Watt.COM>, Steve Watt -- KD6GGD <steve@Watt.COM> wrote:
: >: In article <33B04526.6C8F@gstworld.net.nospam>,
: >: Brett Hunsaker <bhunsaker@gstworld.net> wrote:
: bhunsaker> [ using old C-Kermit 4C(058) on LynxOS, wants newer ]
:
: steve> You can get a more current one from Columbia University
: steve> The reason that 4C is shipped with LynxOS is that it's very nearly the
: steve> last version that was freely distributable. Since then, the licensing
: steve> terms have changed so that vendors may not include kermit in products.
:
: fdc> If the LynxOS company would let me give away their products to my users,
: fdc> maybe I'd have some sympathy for that position.
:
: I suspect it could be arranged for you to give away LynxOS 1.0. I'm not
: sure you *could*, though. I think it only ran on a proprietary board. ;)
:
It's not a fair analogy. Suppose I gave away the oldest version of LynxOS
that ran on a PC platform. A version containing all sorts of bugs and
limitations which they had, through years of hard work, long since fixed and
overcome. All of my users, installing this wonderful free OS, would soon
encounter all the bugs and limitations, and wonder to themselves, "So what's
the big deal about LynxOS? It seems vastly overrated." They would would
develop a very poor opinion of Lynx indeed, and would no doubt complain
mightily to Lynx and in the newsgroups, etc, thus making more work for Lynx,
with no commensurate income, and damaging its reputation.
: [ deletia ]
: fdc> Lynx customers should encourage the company to do the right thing:
: fdc> either make an honorable agreement with us to distribute our software,
: fdc> or else stop doing it.
:
: A few points:
:
: 1. As far as I know, you cannot retroactively change the licensing of a
: piece of software, which is your implication of "an honorable agreement"
: -- there is no agreement required for the version that Lynx is shipping.
:
Nobody is retroactively changing anything. Lynx is distributing an 11+ year
old software package produced and copyrighted by us, against our wishes.
Therefore Lynx should respect our wishes -- that's what I meant by
"honorable".
When you (generic "you") distribute our software, it affects us in real life.
Your users call us with problems, and/or they draw false conclusions from this
old version, believing it to be the latest one. Kermit protocol and software
has come a long way since 1986 because real people worked on it all that time.
: 2. When I queried about this, I was told that the legal department had
: contacted Columbia and found the terms of distribution for the new
: versions unacceptable, but I don't know the details.
:
I don't recall any communication with Lynx, but I would be glad to speak with
them, even at this late date.
: Active discouragement may not even be needed; asking works.
:
Both ways. It should not have to be our job to seek out every company that
is doing this and ask them to stop. It is a matter of common courtesy to
ask the copyright holder for permission to distribute.
Obviously this is a sore point with me. The Kermit Project used to be
funded to produce free software. Then the funded ceased. Thus the change
in terms. But the real issue is: you (generic) can not expect other people
to work for you without pay and under whatever conditions you make up.
Sometimes this sort of arrangement works for short periods (e.g. students
who live to hack, but then must go get a real job), but long-term
arrangements must have a more solid base. If Lynx is is a company that is
distributing our software with its product, it must believe there is some
financial benefit for doing so. If it believes this, then it is also to
their benefit to work with us and not against us. If it does not believe
it, then it should not distribute our software, because that is the wish of
the real people who did the work and who are affected by it.
- Frank