From: Frank da Cruz (fdc@columbia.edu)
Subject: 2nd RFD: comp.protocols.kermit reorganizaton
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.protocols.kermit
Date: 1994-06-27 08:57:51 PST
REQUEST FOR DISCUSSION
rename comp.protocols.kermit as comp.protocols.kermit.announce
create comp.protocols.kermit.misc
This is a Request For Discussion (RFD) on a change in status for the
moderated newsgroup, comp.protocols.kermit. Presently, this newsgroup is
moderated at Columbia University, and in fact, it is nothing more than a
reflection of the LISTSERV I-KERMIT mailing list, which is the Kermit
Digest, issued periodically from Columbia University. The suggested change
is to:
1. Change the name of comp.protocols.kermit to comp.protocols.kermit.announce.
2. Create a new, unmoderated newsgroup, comp.protocols.kermit.misc.
RATIONALE
The amount of network discussion of Kermit protocol and software has increased
dramatically in recent years, to the extent that the centralized approach to
fielding queries and answering them individually is no longer manageable.
It is felt that creation of an unmoderated Kermit newsgroup will allow a
greater degree of self-help among Kermit software users, more widespread
dissemination of information, and also a better forum in which to discuss
issues of performance and protocol design in an open manner.
It is also felt that this is a more appropriate forum for public discussions
particular to Kermit protocol and software than the current assortment of
comp.dcom.* and comp.os.* and other scattered groups where these discussions
currently take place.
Announcements of new releases of Kermit software will appear in a separate
newsgroup, comp.protocols.kermit.announce, a newsgroup that can be posted to
only from the Office of Kermit Development and Distribution at Columbia
University. The current moderators are Frank da Cruz and Cristine Gianone.
The only change from current practice is the change of name to conform to
Usenet conventions.
CHARTER
The unmoderated newsgroup comp.protocols.kermit.misc will be open to all
topics related to Kermit protocol and software, including questions and
answers regarding the acquisition and use of the software, and discussions
of performance and protocol issues. It is not intended as a software
announcement forum or a software distribution method, e.g. posting of
massive amounts of source code, although items such as short script
programs (e.g. dialing scripts for new kinds of modems) of general interest
can be posted, but with the understanding that the definitive source for
Kermit software is the repository at Columbia University, and the act of
posting an item to this newsgroup does not necessarily enter it into this
repository.
comp.protocols.kermit.announce will be used for announcements, primarily in
the form of the Kermit Digest, just as comp.protocols.kermit was used in
the past.
Frank da Cruz
Manager, Communications Software Development,
Columbia University in the City of New York,
and present co-moderator of comp.protocols.kermit.
E-Mail: fdc@columbia.edu
From: Ron "Asbestos" Dippold (rdippold@qualcomm.com)
Subject: RESULT: comp.protocols.kermit.{announce,misc} pass 239:24, 233:28
Newsgroups: news.announce.newgroups, news.groups, comp.protocols.kermit
Date: 1994-09-08 08:04:30 PST
RESULT
moderated group comp.protocols.kermit.announce (replaces comp.protocols.kermit)
unmoderated group comp.protocols.kermit.misc
comp.protocols.kermit reorg results - 263 valid votes
Yes No : 2/3? >100? : Pass? : Group
---- ---- : ---- ----- : ----- : -------------------------------------------
239 24 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.protocols.kermit.announce
233 28 : Yes Yes : Yes : comp.protocols.kermit.misc
1 invalid vote
Newsgroups line:
comp.protocols.kermit.announce Kermit announcements (moderated).
comp.protocols.kermit.misc Kermit protocol and software.
Votes must be received by 23:59:59 UTC, 3 September 1994.
This vote is being conducted by a neutral third party. For voting
questions only contact rdippold@qualcomm.com. For questions about the
proposed group contact Frank da Cruz <fdc@columbia.edu>.
CHARTER
The unmoderated newsgroup comp.protocols.kermit.misc will be open to all
topics related to Kermit protocol and software, including questions and
answers regarding the acquisition and use of the software, and discussions
of performance and protocol issues. It is not intended as a software
announcement forum or a software distribution method, e.g. posting of
massive amounts of source code, although items such as short script
programs (e.g. dialing scripts for new kinds of modems) of general interest
can be posted, but with the understanding that the definitive source for
Kermit software is th list, I$KERMIT@CUVMA. But these will be posted
separately rather than gatewayed, because gatewaying in the past has never
worked right.
comp.protocols.kermit reorg Final Vote Ack
comp.protocols.kermit.misc ----+
comp.protocols.kermit.announce ---+|
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cairns@upei.ca David Cairns YY
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carlson@cap.gwu.edu Eric C. Carlson YY
CARPENTERV@vmsa.csd.mu.edu Vinit S. Carpenter YY
ckd@loiosh.kei.com Christopher Davis YY
clambrit@tcet.unt.edu Christian P. Lambright YY
cloos@rahul.net James H. Cloos, Jr. YY
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csmoko@relay.nswc.navy.mil Chuck Smoko YY
cziwmcp@pluto.ulcc.ac.uk Martin Powell YY
d-lewart@uiuc.edu Daniel S. Lewart YY
D.W.Wright@bnr.co.uk David Wright YY
dacey@crl.com Peter Campbell YY
darkstar@chopin.udel.edu Jerry Alexandratos YY
DAVENPORTF@scorpion.ag.uiuc.edu Floyd Davenport YY
david@osiris.cs.uow.edu.au David Wilson YY
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dennisf@flaherty.elk.miles.com Dennis Flaherty YY
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egbert%garfy@teralon.GUN.de Egbert Hinzen NN
eichin@perdiem.cygnus.com Mark W. Eichin YY
ellis@nova.gmi.edu Richard Stewart Ellis YY
enos@erc.cat.syr.edu Ronald Enos YY
eravin@panix.com Ed Ravin YY
eric@finsun.gatech.edu Eric J. Wimer YY
esj@harvee.billerica.ma.us Eric S. Johansson YY
EWILTS@vmsmail.gov.bc.ca Ed Wilts YY
fischer-michael@CS.YALE.EDU Michael J. Fischer YY
fpp@mace.cc.purdue.edu Kelly G. Willis YY
FRITZ@Gems.VCU.EDU J.E. Fritz YY
FSBEM@acad2.alaska.edu BLAKE E MOORE YY
fval_ltd@uhura.cc.rochester.edu trey valenta YY
galway@chtm.eece.unm.edu Denis McKeon YY
gcook@credit.erin.utoronto.ca Gordon Cook YY
geno@nevada.edu EuGene Tramaglino YY
george@cmhcsys.com George Westbrook YY
georgeb@netcom.com George H. Bosworth YY
gjb@gba.oz.au Greg Black NN
gkj@cbisa.com.au Graham JENKINS NN
gordon@torrie.org Gordon Torrie YY
gt5139c@prism.gatech.edu Peter L. Thomas YN
hakan@Nordic.Cv.COM Håkan SJögren YY
halbert@world.std.com Daniel C Halbert YY
hamilton@cs.iastate.edu Jon Hamilton NN
harrison@uhunix.uhcc.Hawaii.Edu Yes YY
harrold@barcly.acsd.msoe.edu David Harrold, Milwaukee School Of Engineer YY
harvard!yale!microvation.com!tan@Think.COM Tan Bronson tan@Microvation.C YY
HARVEY@INDYVAX.IUPUI.EDU James Harvey YY
hcs@YORUBA.SLIP.CS.CMU.EDU Henry C. Schmitt YY
hd@ece.rice.edu Hubert Daugherty YY
henderson@mln.com Javier Henderson YY
Herve.Schauer@itesec.ensta.fr Herve Schauer YY
Hogeweg@cri.leidenuniv.nl Dick Hogeweg YY
hounsell@cc.joensuu.fi Paul Hounsell YY
hpubvwa.nsr.hp.com!mechp!bacon@relay.hp.com Jerry Bacon YY
isgtmb@gsusgi2.gsu.edu Tom Bowden YY
IVIE@cc.usu.edu Roger Ivie YY
JAAKOLA@cc.Helsinki.FI Juhani Jaakola YY
Jan.Kofoed@ngu.no Jan Erik Kofoed YY
jcmorris@mwunix.mitre.org Joe Morris YY
jdavis@cs.arizona.edu Jim Davis YY
jebright@magnus.acs.ohio-state.edu James R Ebright YY
jeff@k9.com Jeff Beadles NN
jejones@microware.com James Jones YY
jep@miles.elk.miles.com Joseph Perry YY
jfh@netcom.com Jack Hamilton YY
jfortt@dorsai.dorsai.org Joseph Fortt YY
jgmiles@atmos.met.utah.edu John G. Miles YY
jharmatz@Jade.Tufts.EDU Jerold S. Harmatz YY
jimmy@pyra.co.uk Jimmy Aitken YY
jjf@dsbc.icl.co.uk J J Farrell YY
jmdaluz@kquest.com Jose M. daLuz NN
john@iastate.edu John Hascall YY
johnl@cs.indiana.edu John Lacey NN
JOHN_W%VULCAN@mentec.ie John Whistler YY
Jost.Krieger@rz.ruhr-uni-bochum.de Jost Krieger YY
jrm@globalvillag.com John R. MacWilliamson NN
jsr@edcen.ehhs.cmich.edu Jay Rouman YY
jsruebel@iastate.edu James S. Ruebel YY
jtbell@cs1.presby.edu Jon Bell YY
judy@julian.uwo.ca Judy Steward YY
jxh@pride.cs.wustl.edu James C. Hu YY
jyke@cs.tut.fi Jyke Jokinen YY
kai@fix.kmk.rhein-main.de Kai Kretschmann YY
kapffer@uaimzm.Mathematik.Uni-Mainz.DE Matthias Kapffer YY
Kari.Hurtta@fmi.fi Kari E. Hurtta NN
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kcb@post.its.mcw.edu Kent C. Brodie YY
keith@roentgen.demon.co.uk Keith Howells. YY
kenji@reseau.toyonaka.osaka.jp Kenji Rikitake YY
kerr@oodis01.hill.af.mil Grant Kerr YY
khan@rci.ripco.com Naseer Khan YY
kherron@ms.uky.edu Kenneth Herron YY
kinghix@palenque.win-uk.net Henry King YY
kjs@umich.edu Kent Siemers YY
klee@mprgate.mpr.ca Ken Lee YY
knarf@nasim.cube.net Frank Bartels YY
knassen@cochrane.bus.umich.edu Kent Nassen YY
kosman!kevin@ucbvax.Berkeley.EDU Kevin O'Gorman YY
krbnsn@lehman.com Ken Robinson YY
L15D@ZFN.UNI-BREMEN.DE Martin Schr"oder YY
lapinski_emery@jpmorgan.com Emery Lapinski YN
larry@palan.palantir.com Larry Strickland YY
larry@witch.mitra.com Larry Williamson YY
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sgallowa@access.digex.net Scott Galloway YY
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Simon@colsys.demon.co.uk Simon Chapman YY
SIRVINE@waikato.ac.nz Sean Irvine NN
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SLWW1@cc.usu.edu Shawn Kondel YY
sohm@aeolus.vmsmail.ethz.ch Alfred Sohm YY
SPB@tntv6.ntrs.com Steve Bonine YY
stainles@bga.com Dwight Brown NN
stu@valinor.mythical.com Stu Labovitz YY
swalton@huey.csun.edu Stephen Walton YY
swheeler@netcom.com Sean D. Wheeler YY
swl26@cas.org Steven W. Layten YY
syc@cc.ntu.edu.tw Shiau Yong-Ching YY
tbbusser@mailhost.ecn.uoknor.edu Tod Bussert NN
telly!evan@lsuc.on.ca Evan Leibovitch YY
terjem@hda.hydro.com Terje Wiig Mathisen YY
thomas@lkg.dec.com Matt Thomas YY
tk@sequent.com Tom Kloos YY
tkoppel@nyx10.cs.du.edu Ted Koppel NN
tmb@banjo.myxa.com Tim Brown YY
twpierce@midway.uchicago.edu Tim Pierce YY
u9014958@muss.cis.mcmaster.ca Ming S. Chan YY
USTS034@UABDPO.DPO.UAB.EDU Landy Manderson YY
uucm000@uxa.ecn.bgu.edu Tingli Pan YY
valiant@ritz.mordor.com David Zatz YY
vel@adm.vellusig.de Egon Vellusig YY
vogon1!frackit!dave@cse.psu.edu Dave Ratcliffe YY
vvawh@convx1.lerc.nasa.gov Tony Hackenberg YY
w8sdz@SimTel.Coast.NET Keith Petersen YY
warren@itexjct.jct.ac.il Warren Burstein YY
wcm@geek.ca.geac.com W. Christopher Martin YY
winter@zeus.datasrv.co.il 4th Dimension YY
WISANR@hartwick.edu R. N. (Dick) Wisan YY
witek@cs.rpi.edu Witek Szymanski YY
wkomatsu@cce.usp.br Washington Komatsu YY
wombat@aquilagroup.com Christopher M. Conway YY
yadallee@gAlLiF.ersys.EDmonTON.Ab.Ca Dave Shariff Yadallee YY
yarbrda@moose.gdss.grumman.com Danny Yarbrough YY
yogi@cs.Technion.AC.IL Yossi Gil NN
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jwright@schunix.com Joel R.Wright
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From: Frank da Cruz (fdc@watsun.cc.columbia.edu)
Subject: Info Kermit Digest V20 #1
Newsgroups: comp.protocols.kermit
Date: 1994-08-26 06:38:28 PST
Info-Kermit Digest Thu, 25 Aug 1994 Volume 20 : Number 1
Today's Topics:
Announcing C-Kermit 5A(190) Beta
"Using C-Kermit" Now Available in German
"Using C-Kermit" Review
Kermit Book Publisher Information
Nicolet NIC-80 Kermit
Kermit Digest submissions may be sent to Info-Kermit@columbia.edu or
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SPARCserver running UNIX (SunOS 4.1), IP address 128.59.39.2.
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Date: Thu Aug 25 17:50:57 1994
From: Frank da Cruz <fdc@columbia.edu>
Subject: Announcing C-Kermit 5A(190) Beta
Keywords: C-Kermit, UNIX C-Kermit, VMS C-Kermit, OS/2 C-Kermit
Keywords: Stratus VOS C-Kermit, AOS/VS C-Kermit, OS-9 C-Kermit
Keywords: QNX C-Kermit, RESEND, Recovery
This is to announce a Beta testing period for C-Kermit 5A(190), a new
release of C-Kermit communications software for for UNIX, VMS, OS/2, AOS/VS,
Aegis, OS-9, the Commodore Amiga, the Apple Macintosh, and now also Stratus
VOS.
The major new feature of version 5A(190) is the ability to continue file
transfers that failed. This feature is available in the C-Kermit versions
for:
. UNIX (all versions except 2.xBSD)
. OS/2 (the 16-bit and 32-bit versions)
. Data General AOS/VS
. Commodore Amiga
It works only for binary-mode transfers. For example, suppose you were
transferring a huge binary file between UNIX C-Kermit and OS/2 C-Kermit over
a slow dialup modem connection, and the phone call was disconnected. Now
you can reconnect and continue the transfer where it left off. Suppose you
were uploading or downloading a bunch of large ZIP files in binary mode and
the same thing happened -- the new "resend" feature lets you reestablish the
connection and "resend" the same files; the ones that were already
transferred are not transferred again, the one that was partially
transferred is continued where the transfer left off, and the ones that were
not transferred are sent. All the commands are the same, except you tell
C-Kermit to RESEND instead of to SEND. This feature will also be available
in the next release of MS-DOS Kermit, 3.14, coming soon, and later maybe
also other Kermit programs too.
Other highlights of version 5A(190) include:
. Execution of APC escape sequences while in CONNECT mode, just like MS-DOS
Kermit 3.13, for "auto-download", "auto-upload", and auto-anything-else
(UNIX, VMS, OS/2);
. Macintosh Kermit now works under System 7.1 (on PowerMac, etc).
. Automatic directory creation for incoming files (UNIX, VMS, OS/2)
. Command retry and recall, typeahead now allowed in command mode.
. Improved transaction logging.
. MAJOR improvements in OS/2 C-Kermit (see below).
. An entirely new C-Kermit implementation for Stratus VOS.
. A complete, full-featured port of C-Kermit to QNX 4.2.
. Numerous bug fixes and speedups in all departments, especially
script programming.
. Documentation now available in German.
And here is a more-detailed list of the changes:
NEW OR CHANGED COMMANDS
ASK & ASKQ
Now allow unquoted entry of backslash (\) and question mark (?) for
more convenient processing of DOS-like file specifications.
DIAL <phone-number>
For the first time, DIAL is available in the Commodore Amiga version.
FORWARD <label>
A forward-only GOTO (for speeding up command-file execution).
GETC <variable> <prompt>
Like ASK, but gets a single character from the keyboard.
IF DIRECTORY <name> <command>
Execute the <command> if <name> is a directory.
IF NEWER <file1> <file2> <command>
Execute the <command> if <file1> is newer than <file2>.
INPUT & OUTPUT commands
Are now buffered for speed.
MINPUT <timeout> <list-of-strings>
Like INPUT, but looks for multiple input strings simultaneously.
PSEND <filespec> <position> [ <as-name> ]
Send a file starting at the given byte position (UNIX, OS/2, Amiga).
REDIRECT command (OS/2, SunOS, AIX, NeXT, ULTRIX, OSF/1, Linux, ...)
For running external protocols via redirected standard i/o,
or for use with "term" (mainly UNIX).
REMOTE PWD
Display remote server's current directory.
REMOTE ASSIGN <name> [ <value> ]
Client assigns a value to a variable in the remote server's namespace.
REMOTE QUERY { KERMIT, SYSTEM, USER } <name>
Client retrieves the value of a variable in the remote server's
namespace, displays it, and makes its value available in the local
\v(query) variable.
REMOTE SET FILE TYPE { TEXT, BINARY, LABELED }
LABELED added for VMS, OS/2.
RESEND <filespec> [ <as-name> ]
Continue a binary-mode transfer from where it was interrupted
(UNIX, OS/2, AOS/VS, Amiga).
SCRIPT <script-string>
For the first time, SCRIPT is available in the Commodore Amiga version.
SET COMMAND QUOTING { ON, OFF }
Turn ON/OFF special processing of \ and ? during command entry (turn it
off to allow easier entry of DOS-style file specifications).
SET EXIT WARNING { ON, OFF }
Require confirmation before EXIT or SET HOST/LINE if a connection is
active.
SET { FILE, TERMINAL } CHARACTER-SET HP-ROMAN8
New support for the Hewlett-Packard Roman8 character set.
SET TERMINAL APC { ON, OFF, UNCHECKED }
Whether and how to allow execution of APC escape sequences
(UNIX, VMS, OS/2).
WRITE-LINE (or WRITELN) <file> <text>
A system-independent way to write a line of text to a file.
GENERAL CHANGES
File transfer protocol fixes, speedups, and improvements:
. Recovery of failed (incomplete) binary-mode transfers.
. A bug that made windowed transfers sometimes act like stop & wait, fixed.
. A bug that (very infrequently) resulted in corrupted files, fixed.
. Faster recovery from errors in non-windowed transfers.
. SET SEND PAUSE to overcome problems with HP-48s, etc.
. End-of-Attributes attribute (@) now emitted at end of attribute string.
. Maximum sliding window size increased from 31 to 32.
. Long G and Y packets now permitted.
. Improved recovery from echoed packets.
RECEIVE command can be given a disk/directory name for incoming files.
Ability to create directories for incoming files on the fly (UNIX, VMS, OS/2)
File transfer display now includes a "percent done" thermometer graphic.
File transfer display now includes a running display of chars per second.
Repainting of fullscreen file-transfer display (UNIX, VMS, OS/2).
New command-line options:
-D n Delay n seconds before sending
-R "remote-only" for faster startup with standard init file
-N n NETBIOS adapter number (OS/2 only)
BSEND and TSEND macros in CKERMIT.INI fixed to accept wildcards.
PCGET macro now recovers from errors.
Services directory now allows specification of host prompts.
Many annoying pauses between commands removed.
TRANSLATE command fixed for Latin-2 based character sets.
CD commands in "application files" were broken, now fixed.
KERMIT READY TO blah ... messages now issued consistently.
Default cancellation sequence changed from 2 to 3 Ctrl-C's.
Command retry, command history buffer, command recall.
Typeahead is now permitted in interactive command mode.
DIAL now uses no parity during dialing, selected parity after connection.
Crashes during DIAL command (hopefully) all fixed.
DIAL and SCRIPT commands added to Commodore Amiga version.
END and RETURN commands now work from within FOR, WHILE, and XIF.
NEW VARIABLES AND FUNCTIONS
\v(charset) - local character set or code page.
\v(cols) - number of columns on (characters across) screen.
\v(connection) - connection type (serial, tcp/ip, etc).
\v(cps) - speed in characters-per-second of last file transfer.
\v(dialstatus) - completion code from DIAL command.
\v(keyboard) - keyboard type (OS/2 only).
\v(newline) - the system's line terminator.
\v(parity) - current parity setting.
\v(query) - result of most recent REMOTE QUERY.
\v(rows) - number of rows (lines) on screen.
\v(space) - free space on current storage device.
\v(startup) - Kermit's startup directory (OS/2 only).
\v(sysid) - Kermit code for system ID.
\v(terminal) - terminal type.
\fdate(filename) - returns modification date/time of given file.
\fsize(filename) - returns size of the given file.
UNIX IMPROVEMENTS
APC support during CONNECT sessions.
CONNECT-mode speedups, important when C-Kermit is "in the middle".
Interfork-signaling in CONNECT module bulletproofed.
POSIX signal handling is now supported, for reliable signals.
New makefile entries and/or systems supported:
Amdahl UTS + TCP/IP
Bull DPX/2 BOS/X
CONSENSYS System V R4 + TCP + curses
DECstation 5000 MIPS3 CPU
FreeBSD
HP-UX: many variations, big improvements in functionality
Lynx
MachTen
OSF/1 2.0
QNX 4.2
Solaris 2.x
UnixWare 1.1 + curses + TCP/IP
System-wide initialization file is now an option.
TELNET window (i.e. screen) size negotiation, SIGWINCH trapping.
RTS/CTS flow control added for Linux, NetBSD, FreeBSD, OSF/1, SCO ODT 3.0,..
Support for higher serial speeds added for Linux, HP-UX, QNX, etc.
FIONREAD and select() support added for Linux.
(Optional) FSSTND compliance for Linux.
Correct handling of file date/time in 4.4BSD, BSDI, etc.
IMPROVEMENTS FOR VMS AND OPENVMS, VAX AND ALPHA AXP
APC support during CONNECT sessions.
Problems running from DCL procedures, SPAWN'd, in batch, etc - fixed.
New support for CMU/Tektronix TCP/IP.
Append-to-file operations now available.
SET SPEED problems fixed.
Console terminal flow-control fixed.
Automatic compensation for systems SYSGEN'd with small MAXFUFs, etc.
GNU CC and DEC C compatibility.
TRANSMIT command fixed to handle VMS-specific file types sensibly.
Session-log record format fixed.
TELNET window (i.e. screen) size negotiation.
Completion codes for RUN, SPAWN, !, @, DIR, etc, fixed.
MACINTOSH KERMIT 0.991(190)
Now works with System 7.1 and later on Power Macs, etc:
downloads files without crashing.
Many commands fixed or added that never worked before:
CD, PWD, DIRECTORY
OPEN READ / READ / CLOSE READ
LOG { SESSION, TRANSACTION, PACKETS }
Log files and other text files now in TeachText format
LOG DEBUG goes to a window.
SET FILE TYPE { TEXT, BINARY, MACBINARY }
File transfer display improved:
Direction and mode shown correctly when transfer started from prompt.
Current directory is shown.
Numerous bugs fixed.
Mac-specific modules can now be compiled with Think C as well as MPW C.
OS/2 C-KERMIT IMPROVEMENTS
Numerous terminal-emulation improvements:
. VT220, ANSI, and VT100 emulations added (to VT102 and VT52);
. Mouse support added: mouse-directed cursor movement, copy-and-paste.
. Complete support for all VT220 PF, F, keypad, arrow, and editing keys.
. A big selection of keyboard verbs ("\Kverbs"), as in MS-DOS Kermit,
including a complete set of VT220 keyboard verbs and a
new keymap file, CKOVTK2.INI, to set them up for you, and
allowing the Num Lock key to be used as DEC PF1 (or anything else);
. Hebrew terminal emulation for use with ALEPH library software;
. Ability to assign user-defined macros to hot keys via \Kverbs;
. Executes APC escape sequences, just like MS-DOS Kermit, for
"auto-download", "auto-upload", and auto-anything-else;
. Improved colors, color control, new border color;
. Improved, context-sensitive popup help screens and status lines;
. Print/Dump screen;
. Many new host-controlled printer actions;
. Redirection of printer to file;
. New screen rollback options and features, increased rollback capacity;
. TELNET bugs fixed, TELNET screen-size negotiation added;
. Session debugging display, including graphic display of TELNET
options, control characters, and escape sequences;
. Compose Key for composing accented characters;
. New unique scan codes added for keypad period, Shift-Esc, Tab;
. Answerback string now includes C-Kermit version number and terminal type;
. Code page control.
. SET FLOW KEEP now leaves RTS alone instead of always turning it on.
OS/2 C-Kermit file transfer improvements:
. File transfer recovery.
. ".LONGNAME" attribute supported on FAT file systems.
. Automatic directory creation for incoming files.
. SET FILE TYPE LABELED, a file-transfer mode that transfers OS/2
files along with all their attributes (read-only, hidden, system,
and extended), similar to the same facility in VMS C-Kermit.
. Automatic parity detection during file transfer;
. Ability to transfer files with IBM mainframes thru non-transparent
3270 protocol converters;
. SET FILE COLLISION UPDATE really works now;
. Server's execution of REMOTE DIRECTORY, REMOTE TYPE, etc, fixed;
. Problems transferring with HP-48, CP/M, etc, fixed.
. New XSEND macro transfers entire directory trees intact.
. New macros for activating external protocols.
Other OS/2 C-Kermit improvements:
. Support for the LAN Manager Named Pipe communication method.
. Support for peer-to-peer NETBIOS connections (e.g. to MS-DOS Kermit).
. NetBIOS and Named Pipe connections can be either established or received.
. A REXX programming interface, so C-Kermit scripts can contain REXX
commands, and REXX programs executed from within C-Kermit may contain
C-Kermit commands. This also works, to a limited extent, with VX-REXX.
. Improved, more-flexible install procedure.
. HP-Roman8 character-set support.
. Hebrew text-file transfer.
. Task list adjusted to show current serial port or TELNET host.
. More accurate available-space checking for incoming files.
AMIGA C-KERMIT IMPROVEMENTS
File transfer recovery (RESEND)
DIAL command added.
SCRIPT command added.
ATARI ST
The Atari ST version has not been updated from 5A(189) level. Bruce J.
Moore, who had previously cared for the Atari ST version, would like to
turn over this responsibility to someone else who has more time and a
bigger Atari ST system -- volunteers are needed.
ACKNOWLEDGEMENTS
Grateful acknowledgements for help with developing and testing edit 190 to:
Ken Adelman, Jeffrey Altman, Ric Anderson, Ronald Antony, Steven Asher,
William Bader, Mark Berryman, John Chandler, Albert Crosby, Joe Doupnik,
Alex Dupuy, Max Evarts, Vincent Fatica, Mike Freeman, Christine Gianone,
Madhusudan Giyyarpuram, Bill Glass, Chuck Goodhart, Eugenia Harris, Russ
Herman, Dan Hildebrand, Tarjei Jensen, Hugo Jimenez, Mark Johnson, Terry
Kennedy, "Carlo Kid", Tom Kloos, John Kohl, Bo Kullmar, David Lane, Mike
Long, James Lummel, Scott Mace, Montserrat Mane, Mike O'Malley, Andy
Newcomb, Marc Pawliger, Paul Placeway, Jim Reisert, Kai Uwe Rommel,
Shinichi Sakata, Nick Sayer, Bill Schlesinger, Steven Schultz, Jason
Seaman, Olaf Seibert, Rick Sladkey, Marko Teittinen, Lee Tibbert, Bernie
Volz, Steve Walton, Jamie Watson, Rick Watson, Rob Weiner, Gerald Werner,
Steven Woolgar, and many others, and with apologies to everybody I missed.
Special thanks to Jeffrey Altman for huge amounts of work on OS/2 C-Kermit
(REXX, .LONGNAME, Labeled-File transfer, mouse, Named Pipe, and NETBIOS
support, multithreading in the CONNECT module, plus the installation script
and much more), and also to Kai Uwe Rommel for much OS/2 work, to David Lane
for the Stratus VOS support -- *all* of it, to Steve Walton for his
continuing support of the Amiga, to Terry Kennedy for many services above
and beyond the call of duty, to Mike O'Malley for not only the CMU/Tek
TCP/IP support in C-Kermit but also for the CMU/Tek sockets library itself,
and to Eduard Vopicka in Prague for his contributions to the UNIX CONNECT
module.
TESTING
I have successfully compiled and tested edit 190 on the following platforms:
Apple Macintosh with System 6.03 and MPW C 3.2
Apple PowerMac 7100 System 7.1.2
Apple Centris 660 AV System 7.1
Data General AViiON DG/UX 5.4
Data General MV 2500 with AOS/VS-II 2.20.00.39 and TCP/IP-II
DEC Alpha AXP with OSF/1 1.3 and 2.0
DEC Alpha AXP with OpenVMS 1.5 and 6.1
DEC MicroVAX-II with VMS 5.3 and VAX C 3.1 and TGV MultiNet TCP/IP
DEC PDP-11/44 with 2.11BSD
DEC VAXstation 3100 with VMS 5.5 and VAX C 3.2 and DEC TCP/IP
DECstation 5800 with Ultrix 4.2
HP-9000/300 4.4BSD
HP-9000/550 HP-UX 5.21
HP-9000/385 HP-UX 8.00
HP-9000 Model 385 with HP-UX 8.0
HP-9000 Model 715 with HP-UX 9.03
IBM PS/2-70 with OS/2 2.00
IBM PS/VP with OS/2 2.01 and IBM TCP/IP 1.20 (16-bit and 32-bit)
IBM RS/6000 with AIX 3.2.1
NeXT with NeXTSTEP 3.1
PC 486/50 with Dell UNIX System V/386 R4
PC 486/50 with Linux 0.99.14
PC 486/50 with UnixWare 1.1.1
PC 486/xx with QNX 4.21 (16-bit and 32-bit)
PC 486/xx with NetBSD 1.0
Silicon Graphics Indigo R4000 with IRIX 5.2
Sun SPARC-10 with SunOS 4.1.3 in BSD and POSIX environments
Sun SPARC-10 with Solaris 2.3
Volunteer testers have reported success on numerous other platforms, listed
at the end of the ckc190.upd file.
I'd like to find out every machine and operating system where this new version
can be built and used successully. Please report testing results, positive or
negative, or just questions, to kermit@columbia.edu. In your reports, please
include:
. The make and model of computer
. The operating system name and version
. The build procedure if any, e.g. which UNIX makefile entry you used
. The size of the resulting (stripped) executable.
For example:
MACHINE OS NAME OS VERSION MAKE ENTRY DATE SIZE
DEC Alpha AXP 3000-800 VMS / TVG 3.3 6.1FT4 ckvker.mak 940820 819200
Dell 433 DE SCO UNIX 3.2v4.0 sco32v4 940820 344872
IBM RS/6000 320 AIX 3.2.3E rs6aix32c 940820 491445
Harris Night Hawk CX/UX 6.1 cx_ux 940820 626560
Silicon Graphics Indigo IRIX 4.0.5F irix40ypc 940820 606208
Tandy Model 6000 Xenix 3.2 trs16 940820 435842
HOW TO GET IT
During the testing period, C-Kermit 5A(190) will be available via anonymous
ftp from kermit.columbia.edu [128.59.39.2] in the following directories:
kermit/test/text - Text files, ftp in text (ASCII) mode
kermit/test/bin - Binary files, ftp in binary (I) mode
In particular:
kermit/test/bin/cku190.tar.Z (or cku190.tar.gz for gunzip)
Compressed (or gzip'd) tar archive for the complete set of files
needed for UNIX C-Kermit. C-Kermit must be built from the included
source code using the included makefile (but if you don't have a C
compiler, see below about selected binaries). Read the comments at
the top of the makefile for more detailed building instructions.
kermit/test/bin/cko190.zip
ZIP archive of the complete OS/2 C-Kermit distribution (no source code).
Includes both the 32- and 16-bit versions, all supporting files, and an
automated install script (INSTALL.CMD).
kermit/test/text/ckvaaa.hlp
A text file explaining exactly which files are needed for the VMS version.
Get this file, read it, then follow the instructions.
kermit/test/text/ckm*
ckm190.hqx - Macintosh Kermit 0.991(190) in BinHex 4.0 format.
ckmker.bwr - Macintosh Kermit "beware" file (up to date).
ckmaaa.hlp - Macintosh Kermit "read me" file (points to other files too).
kermit/test/text/ckd190.uue
uuencoded AOS/VS DUMP_II dumpfile containing the AOS/VS C-Kermit
executable and supporting text files.
kermit/test/bin/
Also contains selected C-Kermit executables for UNIX, VMS, AOS/VS, and
others. See the READ.ME file in that directory for a list.
kermit/test/text/ckcker.upd
Documentation for all features new to edits 189 and 190. Use this as
a supplement to the user manual, "Using C-Kermit" and/or "C-Kermit
Einfuehrung und Referenz".
kermit/test/text/ckc190.upd
Detailed edit history and test results.
kermit/test/text/ckaaaa.hlp
A text file describing all of the C-Kermit files and which ones are needed
for each type of system, including the sources files, which are all in the
the kermit/test/text directory.
Some of the binaries for this version might not be quite up to date, and in
a few cases might be missing altogether. The stragglers will be installed
as they arrive. (If you are able to provide any of the missing our outdated
ones, please let me know.)
The public Beta testing period should be relatively short because this
version has already been tested thoroughly by a smaller (though still quite
large) group. Please send testing results to kermit@columbia.edu.
Hopefully we can have the new release out of Beta quickly -- e.g. in time
for the Fall semester. Thanks.
- Frank
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Date: Thu Aug 25 12:30:54 1994
From: Frank da Cruz <fdc@columbia.edu>
Subject: "Using C-Kermit" Now Available in German
Keywords: C-Kermit Manual, German Documentation for C-Kermit
The user manual for C-Kermit, "Using C-Kermit", has been translated into
German by Gisbert W. Selke of Bonn and published in Germany by Verlag Heinz
Heise in Hannover. The German edition is current as of version 5A(189) --
a small bonus for the German reader:
Frank da Cruz and Christine M. Gianone, "C-Kermit - Einfuehrung und
Referenz", Verlag Heinz Heise, Hannover, Germany (1994).
ISBN 3-88229-023-4. Deutsch von Gisbert W. Selke. Preis: DM 90,00.
Verlag Heinz Heise GmbH & Co. KG, Helstorfer Strasse 7, D-30625 Hannover.
Tel. +49 (05 11) 53 52-0, Fax. +49 (05 11) 53 53-1 29.
I can attest to the incredibly hard and detailed work that went into this
edition. It is a literate, accurate, and tasteful translation that should
appeal to all German speakers including those who normally disdain German
translations of English computer books :-).
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Date: Mon, 04 Jul 1994 12:47:48 -0600 (MDT)
From: "Rob Slade <ROBERTS@DECUS.CA>
Subject: "Using C-Kermit" Review
BKUSCKMT.RVW 940404
Digital Press / Butterworth-Heinemann
313 Washington Street
Newton, MA 02158
Voice: 1-800-366-BOOK
Fax: 1-617-933-6333
or
Kermit Distribution
Columbia University
612 West 115th Street
New York, NY 10025
Voice: 1-212-854-3703
Fax: 1-212-663-8202
Email: kermit@columbia.edu
"Using C-Kermit", da Cruz/Gianone, 1993, 1-55558-108-0
fdc@columbia.edu cmg@columbia.edu
Kermit is the most widely available communications software in the world.
Versions on some platforms, however, may lack features available on others.
Also, there may be a few computers to which Kermit has not been ported.
This is where C-Kermit comes in. C-Kermit is the C language source code for
a very feature-rich version of Kermit, very similar in function to the
highly mature MS-DOS version of Kermit. This is the native version for at
least four of the Kermit versions on major platforms, and there is no longer
any reason not to have a Kermit for *your* machine.
This is the user level manual for C-Kermit. (General advice on porting,
configuration and compiling is included with the source, available from the
Kermit distribution centre at Columbia University. Extensive documentation
and back issues of the Info-Kermit digest are also available.) Well thought
out, well presented, well written, the book is an excellent addition to the
previous "Kermit: a file transfer protocol" (BKKERMIT.RVW) and "Using MS-DOS
Kermit" (BKUMSKMT.RVW).
The structure and order of the book is logically organized for users, new
and old. Chapter three states that it assumes you are familiar with the
basic data communications parameters. If you are not, it directs you to a
comprehensive tutorial in appendix two. The only minor oddity in the
arrangement is that scripting, possibly of most use to non-programming
users, comes after the chapters on macros and programming. This is intended
to give some basic programming concepts prior to introducing scripts, since
the book assumes no programming background. It is, however, possible to
write simple scripts without much in the way of conditional structures,
controls or variables, and it would be a pity if non-programmers gave up too
early to find this out.
C-Kermit will likely become, as far as possible, the standard for the Kermit
interface and functions. This, therefore, will be the standard Kermit user
guide.
copyright Robert M. Slade, 1994 BKUSCKMT.RVW 940404
Vancouver p1@arkham.wimsey.bc.ca | "If a train station
Institute for Robert_Slade@sfu.ca | is where a train
Research into rslade@cue.bc.ca | stops, what happens
User p1@CyberStore.ca | at a workstation?"
Security Canada V7K 2G6 | Frederick Wheeler
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Date: Thu Aug 25 12:30:54 1994
From: Frank da Cruz <fdc@columbia.edu>
Subject: Kermit Book Publisher Information
Keywords: Digital Press, Kermit Books
A few months ago, Digital Press, the publisher of the English-language
editions of "Kermit, A File Transfer Protocol", "Using MS-DOS Kermit", and
"Using C-Kermit", was acquired from Digital Equipment Corporation by
Butterworth-Heinemann, 313 Washington Street, Newton, MA 02158 USA.
Digital Press is now an Imprint of Butterworth-Heinemann. The books still
have the same ISBNs, prices, etc, but reportedly there has been some
confusion in the bookstores. Reports to the effect that the Kermit books
are out of print are greatly exaggerated.
The new Digital Press can be reached at the following telephone numbers:
+1 800 366-2665 (Woburn, Massachusetts office for USA & Canada)
+1 800 665-1148 (Logan Bros, Winnepeg, Manitoba office for Canada)
+44 993 58521 (Rushden, England office for Europe)
+61 02 372-5511 (Chatswood, NSW office for Australia & New Zealand)
+65 220-3684 (Singapore office for Asia)
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Date: 2 July 1994
From: Peter McClintock <pya007@lancaster.ac.uk>
Subject: Nicolet NIC-80 Kermit
Keywords: Nicolet Kermit, NIC-80, LAB-80, NMR-80
Keywords: MED-80, BNC-12
I have written a Kermit for Nicolet data-processors in the NIC-80 series
(LAB-80, NMR-80, MED-80, BNC-12). Although it provides a relatively simple
implementation of the protocol, it will open up a new dimension to many
enthusiasts for these ancient machines. The main usage in practice is
likely to be in transferring averaged spectra or other data to a mainframe,
workstation or PC for further analysis or for plotting with modern plotting
packages. But the Kermit will, of course, also enable Nicolet users to
exchange programmes and data with each other on a world-wide basis.
To get started there is a choice of two options -
(a) Obtain the sourcecode from Kermit Distribution, type it in, assemble
it, and generate and de-bug the executable programme according to the
instructions, all on the Nicolet.
(b) Ask me for a copy of the binary. This can be supplied on paper tape;
alternatively, send me a formatted 8-inch floppy, or front-loading
Diablo-30 cartridge, onto which the binary can be stored.
For option (b), there is a $100 handling charge (waived if the applicant
can offer new NIC-80 software of comparable utility in return). Please make
cheques payable to "University of Lancaster".
Once the initial version of the Kermit is installed and running on a given
system, future updates can obviously be received by ftp or e-mail, using the
current Kermit to download them from the receiving machine to the NIC-80 on
which they are to be used.
Mailing address for disks:
P V E McClintock,
School of Physics and Materials,
University of Lancaster,
LANCASTER LA1 4YB, UK.
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The former comp.protocols.kermit newsgroup is now split into two parts,
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This is a test to make sure the moderated groups work right -- Please don't
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